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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Raffaele Ricciardi'" <rfflrccrd@gmail.com>, <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: thing-at-point: inconsistent behaviour?
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:46:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CD79151C4F7E4DBDB652811EA777BC3E@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a94o01FiegU1@mid.individual.net>

> When you are looking for a buffer substring, you call
> `bounds-of-thing-at-point'; when you are looking for a string
> result, you call `thing-at-point'; when you want the result
> as a sexp, you call the specialized function.

There is even another complication/confusion.  "Symbol" in Emacs can refer to
two different things, especially as regards text that might represent a name.

* It can refer to a string of chars that have symbol syntax (or symbol-or-word
syntax) in a given mode - any mode, not just Lisp.

* It can refer to a Lisp symbol, i.e., a specific kind of Lisp object (with the
possibility of a non-nil `symbol-value' and `symbol-function, for instance).

IMO, most Elisp programs use thing-at-point functions to grab a string
representing the name of something or representing a sexp or other object (URL,
file name, etc.).

In the case of a symbol, IMO most programs really want/need to grab a symbol
_name_, often for use as the default value in an interactive spec.  Most do not
really want/need a Lisp symbol.  And even when they do, they can call `intern'
or `intern-soft' or `make-symbol' themselves.

In `thingatpt+.el' there are separate functions that return a Lisp symbol (i.e.,
interned in the standard `obarray'), and there are other functions that return a
symbol name.  The symbol-name functions are used more often, IMO.

Symbols:

 `symbol-at-point'
 `symbol-nearest-point'
 `non-nil-symbol-nearest-point' 

Symbol names:

 `non-nil-symbol-name-at-point'
 `symbol-name-nearest-point'
 `non-nil-symbol-name-nearest-point'
 `region-or-non-nil-symbol-name-nearest-point' 

(There are also functions that return the symbol or symbol name plus its bounds
in the buffer, and so on.)




  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-08-17  0:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-15 18:08 thing-at-point: inconsistent behaviour? Raffaele Ricciardi
2012-08-15 18:34 ` Barry Margolin
2012-08-15 18:44   ` Drew Adams
2012-08-15 19:00   ` Raffaele Ricciardi
2012-08-16 11:52     ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]     ` <mailman.7107.1345117968.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-08-16 15:48       ` Barry Margolin
2012-08-16 16:24         ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]         ` <mailman.7114.1345134264.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-08-16 17:12           ` Raffaele Ricciardi
2012-08-16 23:19             ` Barry Margolin
2012-08-17  0:46             ` Drew Adams [this message]
     [not found]             ` <mailman.7128.1345164390.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-08-17  1:46               ` Barry Margolin
2012-08-17  4:38                 ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.7135.1345178331.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-08-17  9:23                   ` Raffaele Ricciardi
2012-08-20  0:15                     ` Drew Adams

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