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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250461 Archived-At: On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 04:43, Karl Fogel wrote: > > Two of the first things I > > always have to teach newcomers are `C-g' and `C-h l' :-). > > This property results from the keybinding space being tightly packed, of = course -- which is good for experts but rocky for newcomers. It results from the fact that =E2=80=98keyboard-quit=E2=80=99 is on an obsc= ure[^1] C-g key rather than the intuitive[^1] Esc. And that results from Esc being used in most terminals to mean Meta. [^1]: from a novice=E2=80=99s point of view