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From: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 18:03:54 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP_d_8WiHvFo8+bpatTCs9JNGS9f3CEtS6KQtcVAnvHmnGa5Dg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1kt6jJ-0000qH-1T@fencepost.gnu.org>

On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 at 17:23, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:

>                                     Most collaboration is now happening in
>   > Google Documents (and Sheets), Dropbox Paper, and Notion.
>
> Google Docs is also bad -- because you have to run nonfree software to
> talk to it, and you have to identify yourself and sign an unjust
> contract to be allowed to use it.

Of course you have to identify yourself. It’s a natural consequence of
collaboration, because:

* You want to let a small set of your coworkers to be able to see the
document and comment on it.
* You want an even smaller subset of those to be able to edit it.
* You want to know who made which comment or edit.

(Google also lets you share documents in a way that they can be read,
commented, or edited anonymously, but no one in their right mind will
do that for any kind of sensitive documentation.)

> I never heard of the other three; are they any less bad?

Pretty much the same level of badness. They let an authenticated user
create a document, and share it for viewing, commenting or editing
with other authenticated users. They also provide free-to-use non-Free
UIs for working with those documents, and HTTP-based APIs upon which
alternative clients could be created. Users of such clients would, of
course, have to authenticate themselves, and for security and
convenience reasons that authentication would require executing some
non-Free Javascript.

> It would be a good thing to write an Emacs interface that can talk to
> Google Docs; but if it requires a Google account, I'd still say no.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-26 11:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-22 18:22 Emacs as a word processor Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-22 18:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 19:28   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 19:37     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-22 19:46       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-22 20:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 19:32 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-22 19:41   ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-22 19:51     ` Jean Louis
2020-12-22 19:57       ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-22 20:07         ` Qiantan Hong
2020-12-22 20:43           ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-22 20:56           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-24  5:49             ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-24 20:57               ` chad
2020-12-25  4:37                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25  7:14                   ` Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files) Jean Louis
2020-12-25  8:15                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-25  9:58                       ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 12:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-25 13:11                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 13:39                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27 21:28                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  7:26                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-28 17:11                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-12-28 22:19                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-29  8:31                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-29 13:27                                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28 13:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-28 19:12                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 13:23                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-27  9:43                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 10:30                       ` Yuri Khan
2020-12-26 10:23                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 10:32                           ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-12-26 11:03                           ` Yuri Khan [this message]
2020-12-26 11:53                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26 12:19                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-27  5:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25 10:59                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 13:19                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-25 14:44                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 19:41                             ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-12-25 21:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-26 10:13                                 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-12-27 21:08                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 13:49                         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 15:02                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26  6:34                             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-28 11:44                             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-28 12:22                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28 12:37                                 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-28 16:25                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-29 10:10                                     ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-28 13:37                             ` [pandoc] (was: Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files)) Uwe Brauer
2020-12-28 14:56                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-12-28 15:02                                 ` [pandoc] Uwe Brauer
2020-12-28 16:33                               ` [pandoc] (was: Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files)) Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28 17:07                                 ` [pandoc] Uwe Brauer
2020-12-28 18:11                                   ` [pandoc] Tomas Hlavaty
     [not found]                         ` <X+Xv2f/sQzaWg/B0@protected.rcdrun.com>
2020-12-25 15:07                           ` Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files) Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26  6:35                             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-27 21:14                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  1:39                                 ` Amin Bandali
2020-12-28 16:38                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26 10:23                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 10:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27  5:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 16:12                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-27  5:40                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-28 13:41                         ` Uwe Brauer
2020-12-23  4:53         ` Emacs as a word processor David Masterson
2020-12-23  5:26           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-23  7:52             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-23  8:02         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-23  9:53           ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-23  1:48 ` yarnton--- via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-23  2:29   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-23  2:53   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-12-23  7:25     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-23 17:58       ` yarnton--- via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-23 18:06       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-24  3:09         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-25  4:31         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25  5:17           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-25  5:18           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-26 10:28             ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 11:30               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-23 17:09     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-24  5:47     ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-23 10:18   ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-23  4:21 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-23  4:38   ` Christopher Dimech

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