From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IEMteCA4IHNob3J0aGFuZHMgZm9yIOKJpCBhbmQg4oml?= Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 21:40:56 +0600 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431358902 12262 80.91.229.3 (11 May 2015 15:41:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 15:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Paul Eggert , Stefan Monnier , Emacs developers To: Kaushal Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 17:41:41 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yrppq-0001HU-5E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 17:41:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38318 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yrppp-00080C-KJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 11:41:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50605) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrppX-0007xP-Rs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 11:41:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrppX-0007tN-3S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 11:41:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::229]:35930) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrppW-0007tH-Sm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 11:41:19 -0400 Original-Received: by lbbqq2 with SMTP id qq2so96812800lbb.3 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 08:41:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2qoJBaL7+GoPKCokOZjdJGZIFb8Oi6aKKCEU4X6vYBk=; b=R6kpFDEVJvUb8OU3jlbrbcamhtXz72mMpKUE5IeHJzlF9bn0V5NHPxpX0gPw7RiSj6 ajQhKaX1xs+VPnt8Llwj7iymrih4wQbziOTGAmD2Ipv7MbdvInx/3WlLDtH+9Z/OYLtz XAspkzGxI28cnZRlSPegAN8avNHlEFOzxqiWJvRq31CczJN2W+l2PdpNdc6z7LlvL1Dx I2Xick7CdXJwD0x+72PU+ucQsBRIkX4zP4U+MeWdqQMCC1arraxeFYW1hmNYT3lpm/TS QKxaswHyl2NAB/ab784+WNpUnd7lFneJCK6eSqpjHVFCnjQuFOMJvssofoqtxbtkHHre vzFw== X-Received: by 10.112.13.98 with SMTP id g2mr8750100lbc.102.1431358876929; Mon, 11 May 2015 08:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.43.65 with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2015 08:40:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: r77ZnGFuhT8bA2_04gGt-eNlS9Q X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:186415 Archived-At: On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Kaushal wrote: > Thanks. I personally never needed to use =C2=BB. But for someone already = using > that, the ">>" binding is pretty intuitive (and same applies to "<<"). Consider also that there is the =E2=89=AB character (U+226B MUCH GREATER THAN), which is semantically a better match for >>. As for =C2=AB=C2=BB, these are standard first-level quotation marks in Russ= ian typographic practice (among many others), but for a Russian user there is no benefit in binding them to any C-x sequence. Because, when one needs a quotation mark, one most probably has the Russian/Cyrillic keyboard layout active. One would have to press the layout switch key combo (typically Alt+Shift or Ctrl+Shift), then C-x, then whatever binding you agree on, then switch layout again. As a result, no one would use the proper typographic quotes, opting for the straight double quote " (U+0022) instead. Anyway, the problem of Unicode input needs to be solved on the operating system or at least the desktop environment level, not in each application separately. (Yes, Emacs is an application, not an OS nor a DE.)