From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful? 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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223472 On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > IMO the essence of WYSIWYG makes it "not Emacs". I'd like to be able to > usefully edit .odt documents with Emacs, but not in a WYSIWYG fashion. I was about to say =E2=80=9Cyou sort-of can, after all, .odt is just XML in zip=E2=80=9D. Then I did an (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.odt\\'" . archive-mode)) and opened the first .odt I could find, and oh $(DEITY), it=E2=80=99s horrible. After the first line of xml declaration, the rest of the document is one single physical line.