From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:09:51 +0600 Message-ID: References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439910629 10911 80.91.229.3 (18 Aug 2015 15:10:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Paul Eggert , Emacs developers , Dmitry Gutov To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 18 17:10:27 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRiWv-00051b-Oz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 17:10:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57738 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRiWu-0000P8-Fv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:10:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57935) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRiWp-0000Oq-DS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:10:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRiWi-00006O-Vb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:10:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::232]:35264) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRiWi-00005l-N6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:10:12 -0400 Original-Received: by lbcbn3 with SMTP id bn3so104661961lbc.2 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:10:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zvyxUmyALwIrjz77rSV5+f11gFe3HRwS8OFlq07RzSM=; b=N0RtQbMst6IPcWhnkos6IEl7qbzkxVNYb9pWXI3K15SFvVtbXkjdvM8C4APlrulfDb mDkF6Klr/HO8ohqW3T7jgOw9+ZvOJUvx8ux39tzjOsBkHiMFF2Xx5m/mYNKyb9+UQwgA ILZXjsU0lm4mjCJktePkSaPmfndyYGWEqna1eOhoWEKay/A+G28/YhYh2N3JAiqbcaiP LHiAI5dkOjRTSm3ryVm4QVJY4XBnfERNsE0XY2AtrujlCBcVEJL+Ak8c6P58u8Ly38sf aIBut4Ackia5X3r6Du5sJqdhuAZQJEtWuGlZ0GdCG5y3muPXJqzPc+hmAUdkI4m5BPRV D7Gg== X-Received: by 10.112.146.106 with SMTP id tb10mr6664380lbb.22.1439910611123; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.206.1 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:09:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> X-Google-Sender-Auth: wVg8v-AJJM2_FfUNUsxijSk_gzg X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188887 Archived-At: On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > What I object to is _non-working_ characters - characters which appear > on nobody's keyboard (see Bastien's question about typing curly quotes) > and are problematic to display (See Eli's recent post, for example). It=E2=80=99s these two problems which need fixed. We need keyboards (or input methods) which offer a convenient way to enter typographically correct quotes and dashes and other essential punctuation, because otherwise people fall back to their easier-to-enter ASCII substitutes. We need terminals which are capable of displaying the whole repertoire of Unicode, because otherwise we have to make a choice of the subset we=E2=80=99d like to be able to see. Making these two long-standing problems more visible is a good thing. (As far as I am concerned, both are solved problems already. It=E2=80=99s j= ust that the solutions are not mainstream enough.)