From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 12:42:01 +0300 Message-ID: References: <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011125031.GC6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201012050418.GZ2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> <20201016142436.187b8210@argon> <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> <20201016204531.77fab05b@argon> <725aa7c4-321f-4483-5a21-a148ff7f119b@yandex.ru> <20201016213312.603595fe@argon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38494"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: mve1@runbox.com, emacs-devel , Richard Stallman , Jean Louis , Dmitry Gutov To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 17 11:43:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTik1-0009sq-1H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 11:43:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37918 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTik0-0006K8-2f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:43:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57674) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTijA-0005LG-Rp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:42:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2e]:37981) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTij9-0000HA-62; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:42:16 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com with SMTP id b3so2875116vsc.5; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 02:42:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tZxUYQJuGHytx5ZDj5ZPMS2TuLa/9EwzDXDq95+rCaU=; b=bf/jKiCFRhXCgG1kZXgCYvimKfgg5OuWDk5fIwBCX9zVwNZiYjq4uG3uhywJGmG6Ny hC/Ezka2aqsBmLIvH3OGl46eaSyIntyzli2QU/vLtcF8l/1Ry4R3s+GEzZ6P+aZtrQAm 6g5dEN1fiqKyM4L537QKt7R13nElb/C4yNhGD+oh2o+g4K7uS0h9fFi5UzYIN7gb6caH SH1x2L49pLn8QzAbF/R8z9eNejbn0EFjhSQqzc444QN50AQHIZLckrKcnRIXEVDs5RQj RB5Atfk5gAqe3py/csHG6jva9Ug8qGmUrZBa7lpoFwJwCRPnzaZTgRKKgVaEAlFLGGPY m11Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tZxUYQJuGHytx5ZDj5ZPMS2TuLa/9EwzDXDq95+rCaU=; b=NrjhJgadK4Qee+uS7xVvMaHr/+64zmOq1xhIm1YxLz7jIABn0N0s1dP97MI6oD/RA4 Irfa1Dl1jiiLWXQ+JE21/5TYyFr7zL/FlovP9pOpyANCzVA7KLBsIpGfZxIh0zAcYb8R PGyQfczt/h233zyk5geucogiVPzAcb3ONSiqOIAigbqJ+vDn45Oy+IagfVKslSxiTvHj /eAJBzQCqSKgvqQlG/Cc8ru0lx4BiU3xFyO9ILJMcyuiWdIEz5u5vx/ODqFtrzrkGYaU 3mxZ8ErPIQo5EDeT49G6qPIF5YTzaLIVxeB0/EMENz5Y/ZOvu8twHXMwdedy3YN+blge rAxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530vCmSj6CBMTNb3AQcQ0Ih3Sp36gRNwmB056kCA1zwcoKIbUhDT rwWoo0yf3v+JAldNRP+5Z8h0lDPQ1jehD2C1cw4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy5GP/V3S+iMk8T2mzMFbVBkqnkpwIoAS77NCUZDbldfdCOfdL4m1SCRhm0smKLP1PPPDoFMVW23/4RzQ6EHRE= X-Received: by 2002:a67:6c86:: with SMTP id h128mr4384275vsc.42.1602927733240; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 02:42:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2e; envelope-from=yurivkhan@gmail.com; helo=mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257930 Archived-At: On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 07:51, Thibaut Verron wro= te: > Incidentally, I see a lot of effort so far discussing how evil > helm-lastpass and lastpass are, and how to get them moved to obscure > parts of the internet. What I don't see is efforts discussing free > alternatives. +1! > As far as I know the only free competitor for lastpass is bitwarden, > why is nobody talking about developing an emacs interface to bitwarden > and educating lastpass users about it? Have another one: https://www.passwordstore.org/ It is a convention for storing each password in a separate encrypted text file and a shell script wrapper around GPG and optionally Git implementing that convention. The store directory just happens to be easily browsable in Emacs without any additional interface packages =E2=80=94 as you visit an encrypt= ed file, Emacs asks for the decryption key passphrase and displays a buffer with decrypted password and any additional metadata associated with it. (I did not check what happens if you modify and save that buffer; whether it gets encrypted with all the keys it was originally encrypted with.) And it comes with a script that imports passwords from LastPass format. (I now looked at Bitwarden and it looks like its server component, while itself being Free, requires Microsoft SQL Server which is free-to-use but not Free; and without the server component the user is locked into using someone else=E2=80=99s server instance. So, ideologically= , Bitwarden is not much better than LastPass.)