From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Facts for fans: encodings history (was: Re: Getting Emacs to play nice with Hunspell and apostrophes) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 14:37:02 +0700 Message-ID: References: <87ha3s71mt.fsf@debian.uxu> <87tx7rsevi.fsf@debian.uxu> <8738fbscao.fsf@debian.uxu> <87sin8use8.fsf@debian.uxu> <87ioo4ukyq.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1402731444 1223 80.91.229.3 (14 Jun 2014 07:37:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 07:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 14 09:37:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WviWc-0002a3-E8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 09:37:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34499 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WviWc-0006Cl-29 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 03:37:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42813) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WviWP-0006Cb-Ep for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 03:37:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WviWN-0006hM-KX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 03:37:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qa0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c00::231]:50197) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WviWN-0006hG-Fu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 03:37:03 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id w8so4828545qac.36 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:37:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2z6KQmP1gD8NSFTrGtRlePduPe6Zhx+B3c0q8OQTwuc=; b=NFUS8r2aTmrqSak0D3VWi4k1Xlg5vf5oSolsTVpTXa+LwUB1Uf44Sv0FF3e/uOBfa1 JjzkqmFFm60P3jd24LZjs4aIrBp7hhGQ4fxIVnOGTm0uRe7jeG/XdFUPKbpsaC56+YqI kcrHc5b+jL+74zH7RyJuQUheYIbgwK4UV0Lu6J09sAIzv4MNI1orxd6faMs9DowRUYVO AlPQ31SiszIl/RcT5/MtU91haHOCL1XYMfcXbUdkQ3KHWF/eUjUwGfsB0VQsPrOh8jHG wy/XMZJnyGVy0eUvfkqPNSHz6FfMm7Xany4uzgZQqCg5L/EoxJBzVJ7xAOQgq8duloQ6 zLxQ== X-Received: by 10.224.55.130 with SMTP id u2mr9876848qag.67.1402731422947; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.96.154.73 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:37:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ioo4ukyq.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: wWBLgCDViE1wwFmluehZAE7AKHs X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::231 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98240 Archived-At: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Emanuel Berg wro= te: > Emanuel Berg writes: > > I read an article on this: > > The 90s: 8-bits. ISO 8859-1 with the ASCII as its lower > half. Russian: KOI8-R, ISO 8859-5, and CP1251. http://bash.im/quote/423 Translated: =E2=80=9CThey there think that our streets are roamed by bears with balalaikas who speak in iso-8859-5.=E2=80=9D To my knowledge, Russia has never spoken iso-8859-5. It is regarded as a design-by-committee encoding bearing no connection to the needs of real-world users. DOS used the IBM code page 866. Windows used Windows-1251 and users had to convert to and from DOS 866. Linux old-faith users used (and some still use) KOI8-R. Internet users had to be able to convert at least between Windows-1251 and KOI8-r.