delete-frame raises other frames

delete-frame raises other frames

[Matt McClure]

Hi,

When I do C-x 5 0 or M-x delete-frame, my Emacs raises one of its other
frames. I'd prefer that no Emacs frame would raise and that my Mac would
show whatever windows were previously under the just deleted frame.

I made a 20-second screen cast[1] that shows the problem.

   1. I start with a Terminal window.
   2. I start Emacs with `emacs -Q`.
   3. I create a second frame with C-x 5 0.
   4. I stack the three windows from top to bottom:
      1. Second Emacs frame
      2. Terminal window
      3. First Emacs frame
   5. I delete the second Emacs frame using C-x 5 0
   6. I observe that the first Emacs frame raises over the Terminal window.

How can I make the first Emacs frame stay under the Terminal window when
closing the second Emacs frame?

PS. I reported a similar issue[2] using emacsclient. Maybe they have the
same cause.

[1]:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B59oD6VJewIZei1PQ3JSUzhCQjA/view?usp=sharing
[2]: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-09/msg00126.html

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Re: delete-frame raises other frames

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Matt McClure <matt@matthewlmcclure.com>
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 14:36:20 -0400
> 
>    1. I start with a Terminal window.
>    2. I start Emacs with `emacs -Q`.
>    3. I create a second frame with C-x 5 0.
>    4. I stack the three windows from top to bottom:
>       1. Second Emacs frame
>       2. Terminal window
>       3. First Emacs frame
>    5. I delete the second Emacs frame using C-x 5 0
>    6. I observe that the first Emacs frame raises over the Terminal window.
> 
> How can I make the first Emacs frame stay under the Terminal window when
> closing the second Emacs frame?

Is auto-raise-mode enabled or disabled in your sessions?  If it's
enabled, try disabling it.

Re: delete-frame raises other frames

[Matt McClure]

Seems disabled.

(frame-parameter nil 'auto-raise)
nil

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> > From: Matt McClure <matt@matthewlmcclure.com>
> > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 14:36:20 -0400
> >
> >    1. I start with a Terminal window.
> >    2. I start Emacs with `emacs -Q`.
> >    3. I create a second frame with C-x 5 0.
> >    4. I stack the three windows from top to bottom:
> >       1. Second Emacs frame
> >       2. Terminal window
> >       3. First Emacs frame
> >    5. I delete the second Emacs frame using C-x 5 0
> >    6. I observe that the first Emacs frame raises over the Terminal
> window.
> >
> > How can I make the first Emacs frame stay under the Terminal window when
> > closing the second Emacs frame?
>
> Is auto-raise-mode enabled or disabled in your sessions?  If it's
> enabled, try disabling it.
>
>

Re: delete-frame raises other frames

[Matt McClure]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 7:01 PM Matt McClure <matthewlmcclure@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> > From: Matt McClure <matt@matthewlmcclure.com>
> > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 14:36:20 -0400
> >
> >    1. I start with a Terminal window.
> >    2. I start Emacs with `emacs -Q`.
> >    3. I create a second frame with C-x 5 0.
> >    4. I stack the three windows from top to bottom:
> >       1. Second Emacs frame
> >       2. Terminal window
> >       3. First Emacs frame
> >    5. I delete the second Emacs frame using C-x 5 0
> >    6. I observe that the first Emacs frame raises over the Terminal
> window.
> >
> > How can I make the first Emacs frame stay under the Terminal window when
> > closing the second Emacs frame?
>
> Is auto-raise-mode enabled or disabled in your sessions?  If it's
> enabled, try disabling it.
>
> Seems disabled.
>
> (frame-parameter nil 'auto-raise)
> nil
>

Any ideas where I should look next? I'm happy to look at the implementation
if there's no user-configurable solution.

Re: delete-frame raises other frames

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Matt McClure <matthewlmcclure@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 13:30:40 +0000
> 
> > Is auto-raise-mode enabled or disabled in your sessions?  If it's
> > enabled, try disabling it.
> >
> > Seems disabled.
> >
> > (frame-parameter nil 'auto-raise)
> > nil
> >
> 
> Any ideas where I should look next? I'm happy to look at the implementation
> if there's no user-configurable solution.

Well, this doesn't happen to me, and from lack of other "me too"
responses, I'm guessing that this is either specific to OS X or even
to your system's configuration.

I know nothing about GUI on OS X, so I cannot help you where to look
for the cause.  Hopefully, someone else will.

Re: delete-frame raises other frames

[Matt McClure]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:50 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> Well, this doesn't happen to me, and from lack of other "me too"
> responses, I'm guessing that this is either specific to OS X or even
> to your system's configuration.
>

Thanks, Eli.

My guess is that it's specific to OS X.

I looked at the Emacs source code a bit. I found the following in
delete_frame[1]:

```
#ifdef NS_IMPL_COCOA
      else
/* Under NS, there is no system mechanism for choosing a new
  window to get focus -- it is left to application code.
  So the portion of THIS application interfacing with NS
  needs to know about it.  We call Fraise_frame, but the
  purpose is really to transfer focus.  */
Fraise_frame (frame1);
#endif
```

The following might also be relevant:

   - Apple's window concepts documentation[2]
   - Uses of NSApp[3], e.g.,
      - activateIgnoringOtherApps[4]
      - makeKeyAndOrderFront[5]

[1]:
https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/d4a32c4d5955ac04c5017a43042d873e42b3ebec/src/frame.c#L1639
[2]:
https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/WinPanel/Concepts/ChangingMainKeyWindow.html
[3]: https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=nsapp
[4]:
https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=activateIgnoringOtherApps&type=Code
[5]:
https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=makeKeyAndOrderFront&type=Code

Re: delete-frame raises other frames

[Yuri Khan]

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Matt McClure <matt@matthewlmcclure.com> wrote:

> When I do C-x 5 0 or M-x delete-frame, my Emacs raises one of its other
> frames. I'd prefer that no Emacs frame would raise and that my Mac would
> show whatever windows were previously under the just deleted frame.

Does Mac not have a system-wide window manager key to close windows,
like Alt+F4 on Windows and most X11 window managers?

Re: delete-frame raises other frames

[Matt McClure]

I can create and close Emacs frames using Cmd+N and Cmd+W respectively. The
resulting window stacking order is the same as when I use C-x 5 2 and C-x 5
0.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Matt McClure <matt@matthewlmcclure.com>
> wrote:
>
> > When I do C-x 5 0 or M-x delete-frame, my Emacs raises one of its other
> > frames. I'd prefer that no Emacs frame would raise and that my Mac would
> > show whatever windows were previously under the just deleted frame.
>
> Does Mac not have a system-wide window manager key to close windows,
> like Alt+F4 on Windows and most X11 window managers?
>



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