* terminal scrolling in help
@ 2021-12-13 7:39 Colin Baxter 😺
2021-12-13 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Colin Baxter 😺 @ 2021-12-13 7:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Hello,
1. emacs-27.2 -nw -Q <RET>
2. C-h ?
The user is then told to use Space or Del to scroll options. This works
in xterm, stterm and urxvt.
In emacs-28.0.90 (and emacs-29.0.50) the user is now told to use
<PageDown>, <PageUp> to scroll, neither of which work in xterm,
stterm or urxvt
I am wondering why the scroll advice was changed?
Best wishes,
Colin Baxter.
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 7:39 terminal scrolling in help Colin Baxter 😺
@ 2021-12-13 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-13 13:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-13 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-13 17:00 ` Yuri Khan
2021-12-13 17:08 ` Andreas Schwab
2 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-12-13 12:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Colin Baxter 😺; +Cc: emacs-devel
> From: Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 07:39:02 +0000
>
> 1. emacs-27.2 -nw -Q <RET>
> 2. C-h ?
>
> The user is then told to use Space or Del to scroll options. This works
> in xterm, stterm and urxvt.
>
> In emacs-28.0.90 (and emacs-29.0.50) the user is now told to use
> <PageDown>, <PageUp> to scroll, neither of which work in xterm,
> stterm or urxvt
>
> I am wondering why the scroll advice was changed?
How about providing a patch that adds SPC and DEL to the advice?
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-12-13 13:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-13 14:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
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2021-12-13 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Stefan Kangas @ 2021-12-13 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii, Colin Baxter 😺; +Cc: emacs-devel
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 07:39:02 +0000
>>
>> 1. emacs-27.2 -nw -Q <RET>
>> 2. C-h ?
>>
>> The user is then told to use Space or Del to scroll options. This works
>> in xterm, stterm and urxvt.
>>
>> In emacs-28.0.90 (and emacs-29.0.50) the user is now told to use
>> <PageDown>, <PageUp> to scroll, neither of which work in xterm,
>> stterm or urxvt
>>
>> I am wondering why the scroll advice was changed?
Because those are more natural keys to use on graphical displays.
> How about providing a patch that adds SPC and DEL to the advice?
Can we detect that we are running in a terminal and show SPC and DEL
there, while showing <PageDown> and <PageUp> on graphical displays?
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 13:49 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2021-12-13 14:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-12-13 14:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-13 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-13 21:26 ` James Cloos
2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Alan Mackenzie @ 2021-12-13 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: Colin Baxter 😺, Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel
Hello, Stefan.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 05:49:36 -0800, Stefan Kangas wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> >> From: Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com>
> >> Cc:
> >> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 07:39:02 +0000
> >> 1. emacs-27.2 -nw -Q <RET>
> >> 2. C-h ?
> >> The user is then told to use Space or Del to scroll options. This works
> >> in xterm, stterm and urxvt.
> >> In emacs-28.0.90 (and emacs-29.0.50) the user is now told to use
> >> <PageDown>, <PageUp> to scroll, neither of which work in xterm,
> >> stterm or urxvt
> >> I am wondering why the scroll advice was changed?
> Because those are more natural keys to use on graphical displays.
> > How about providing a patch that adds SPC and DEL to the advice?
> Can we detect that we are running in a terminal and show SPC and DEL
> there, while showing <PageDown> and <PageUp> on graphical displays?
Probably not reliably. On my Linux console, <PageUp/Down> work just
fine.
How about showing both pairs of key bindings?
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 14:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
@ 2021-12-13 14:49 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2021-12-13 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alan Mackenzie; +Cc: Colin Baxter 😺, Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel
Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:
>> Can we detect that we are running in a terminal and show SPC and DEL
>> there, while showing <PageDown> and <PageUp> on graphical displays?
>
> Probably not reliably. On my Linux console, <PageUp/Down> work just
> fine.
>
> How about showing both pairs of key bindings?
Yup, Eli installed that fix on the emacs-28 branch.
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 13:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-13 14:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
@ 2021-12-13 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-13 18:12 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-13 21:26 ` James Cloos
2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-12-13 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: m43cap, emacs-devel
> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 05:49:36 -0800
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> >> I am wondering why the scroll advice was changed?
>
> Because those are more natural keys to use on graphical displays.
>
> > How about providing a patch that adds SPC and DEL to the advice?
>
> Can we detect that we are running in a terminal and show SPC and DEL
> there, while showing <PageDown> and <PageUp> on graphical displays?
We can, but why? PageUp/PageDown are available on some terminals as
well, and SPC/DEL are available on GUI displays.
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-12-13 18:12 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-13 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2021-12-13 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: m43cap, emacs-devel
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> Can we detect that we are running in a terminal and show SPC and DEL
>> there, while showing <PageDown> and <PageUp> on graphical displays?
>
> We can, but why? PageUp/PageDown are available on some terminals as
> well, and SPC/DEL are available on GUI displays.
It seems suboptimal to print PageUp/PageDown if they won't work.
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 18:12 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2021-12-13 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-12-13 18:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: m43cap, emacs-devel
> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 10:12:34 -0800
> Cc: m43cap@yandex.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> Can we detect that we are running in a terminal and show SPC and DEL
> >> there, while showing <PageDown> and <PageUp> on graphical displays?
> >
> > We can, but why? PageUp/PageDown are available on some terminals as
> > well, and SPC/DEL are available on GUI displays.
>
> It seems suboptimal to print PageUp/PageDown if they won't work.
I don't think we can know whether they do work on a given terminal.
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 13:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-13 14:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-12-13 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-12-13 21:26 ` James Cloos
2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: James Cloos @ 2021-12-13 21:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: Colin Baxter 😺, Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel
>>>>> "SK" == Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:
SK> Because those are more natural keys to use on graphical displays.
not in general they are not.
on this keyboard they are tiny keys off by the cursor keys. i have to
look to be sure i get them when wanted.
i have other keyboards where one must press a function key to access
those two at all. meaing always a two-hand requirement. quite hard
post-stroke.
space and backspace, otoh, are always easy to use.
(<backspace>, of course, translates to <DEL>, where <delete> translates
to <deletechar>; and it has been decades since i've seen/used a keyboard
which labels the ascii 0x7F key "Delete" rather than "Backspace"; so the
doc really ought to be Space/Backspace these days.)
-JimC
--
James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-13 13:49 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2021-12-13 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-13 16:24 ` Colin Baxter 😺
1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-12-13 13:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: m43cap; +Cc: emacs-devel
> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:58:59 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> > From: Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com>
> > Cc:
> > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 07:39:02 +0000
> >
> > 1. emacs-27.2 -nw -Q <RET>
> > 2. C-h ?
> >
> > The user is then told to use Space or Del to scroll options. This works
> > in xterm, stterm and urxvt.
> >
> > In emacs-28.0.90 (and emacs-29.0.50) the user is now told to use
> > <PageDown>, <PageUp> to scroll, neither of which work in xterm,
> > stterm or urxvt
> >
> > I am wondering why the scroll advice was changed?
>
> How about providing a patch that adds SPC and DEL to the advice?
I installed a fix on the release branch, please test.
Thanks.
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-12-13 16:24 ` Colin Baxter 😺
0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Colin Baxter 😺 @ 2021-12-13 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel
>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:58:59 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii
>> <eliz@gnu.org> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>>
>> > From: Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com> > Cc: > Date: Mon, 13
>> Dec 2021 07:39:02 +0000
>> >
>> > 1. emacs-27.2 -nw -Q <RET> > 2. C-h ?
>> >
>> > The user is then told to use Space or Del to scroll
>> options. This works > in xterm, stterm and urxvt.
>> >
>> > In emacs-28.0.90 (and emacs-29.0.50) the user is now told to
>> use > <PageDown>, <PageUp> to scroll, neither of which work in
>> xterm, > stterm or urxvt
>> >
>> > I am wondering why the scroll advice was changed?
>>
>> How about providing a patch that adds SPC and DEL to the advice?
> I installed a fix on the release branch, please test.
Thank you. Tested on emacs-28.0.90 - works - simple but effective!
Best wishes.
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 7:39 terminal scrolling in help Colin Baxter 😺
2021-12-13 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-12-13 17:00 ` Yuri Khan
2021-12-13 17:34 ` Colin Baxter 😺
2021-12-13 17:08 ` Andreas Schwab
2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Yuri Khan @ 2021-12-13 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Colin Baxter 😺; +Cc: Emacs developers
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 14:41, Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com> wrote:
> In emacs-28.0.90 (and emacs-29.0.50) the user is now told to use
> <PageDown>, <PageUp> to scroll, neither of which work in xterm,
> stterm or urxvt
You should really get that diagnosed. PageUp/PageDown are supposed to
work in all of the above; they emit ESC [ 5 ~ and ESC [ 6 ~ which are
decoded to [prior] and [next] in term/xterm.el which term/rxvt.el and
term/st.el build on.
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 17:00 ` Yuri Khan
@ 2021-12-13 17:34 ` Colin Baxter 😺
2021-12-13 17:50 ` Yuri Khan
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Colin Baxter 😺 @ 2021-12-13 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yuri Khan; +Cc: Emacs developers
>>>>> Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> writes:
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 14:41, Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com> wrote:
>> In emacs-28.0.90 (and emacs-29.0.50) the user is now told to use
>> <PageDown>, <PageUp> to scroll, neither of which work in xterm,
>> stterm or urxvt
> You should really get that diagnosed. PageUp/PageDown are supposed
> to work in all of the above; they emit ESC [ 5 ~ and ESC [ 6 ~
> which are decoded to [prior] and [next] in term/xterm.el which
> term/rxvt.el and term/st.el build on.
Well [5~ and [6~ do appear in the scratch buffer but that's all.
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 17:34 ` Colin Baxter 😺
@ 2021-12-13 17:50 ` Yuri Khan
2021-12-13 19:05 ` Colin Baxter 😺
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Yuri Khan @ 2021-12-13 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Colin Baxter 😺; +Cc: Emacs developers
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 at 00:35, Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com> wrote:
> > You should really get that diagnosed. PageUp/PageDown are supposed
> > to work in all of the above; they emit ESC [ 5 ~ and ESC [ 6 ~
> > which are decoded to [prior] and [next] in term/xterm.el which
> > term/rxvt.el and term/st.el build on.
>
> Well [5~ and [6~ do appear in the scratch buffer but that's all.
So, for each of the terminals you’d like to investigate: what is your
$TERM environment variable set to, what is your input-decode-map like,
and are you using any terminal multiplexer such as screen or tmux?
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 17:50 ` Yuri Khan
@ 2021-12-13 19:05 ` Colin Baxter 😺
2021-12-13 19:23 ` Yuri Khan
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Colin Baxter 😺 @ 2021-12-13 19:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yuri Khan; +Cc: Emacs developers
>>>>> Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> writes:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 at 00:35, Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com> wrote:
>> > You should really get that diagnosed. PageUp/PageDown are
>> supposed > to work in all of the above; they emit ESC [ 5 ~ and
>> ESC [ 6 ~ > which are decoded to [prior] and [next] in
>> term/xterm.el which > term/rxvt.el and term/st.el build on.
>>
>> Well [5~ and [6~ do appear in the scratch buffer but that's all.
> So, for each of the terminals you’d like to investigate: what is
> your $TERM environment variable set to, what is your
> input-decode-map like, and are you using any terminal multiplexer
> such as screen or tmux?
Well TERM is xterm-256color in xterm and zsh, but st-256color in stterm
and screen-256color in tmux. For the input-decode-map, do you mean the
output from the emacs variable "input-decode-map"? I'm using emacs -Q so
the variable value covers many lines - do you want all of that?
Best wishes
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 19:05 ` Colin Baxter 😺
@ 2021-12-13 19:23 ` Yuri Khan
2021-12-13 20:22 ` Colin Baxter 😺
2021-12-13 20:27 ` Andreas Schwab
0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Yuri Khan @ 2021-12-13 19:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Colin Baxter 😺; +Cc: Emacs developers
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 at 02:05, Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com> wrote:
> Well TERM is xterm-256color in xterm and zsh, but st-256color in stterm
> and screen-256color in tmux.
Looks sane. (Except that zsh is not a terminal emulator.)
> For the input-decode-map, do you mean the
> output from the emacs variable "input-decode-map"? I'm using emacs -Q so
> the variable value covers many lines - do you want all of that?
Just see if it has these entries:
(keymap
(27 keymap ;; ESC
(91 keymap ;; [
(53 keymap ;; 5
(126 . [prior]) ;; ~
…)
(54 keymap ;; 6
(126 . [next]) ;; ~
…)
…)
…)
…)
Also, you don’t do anything funny like remapping ESC, do you?
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 19:23 ` Yuri Khan
@ 2021-12-13 20:22 ` Colin Baxter 😺
2021-12-13 20:27 ` Andreas Schwab
1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Colin Baxter 😺 @ 2021-12-13 20:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yuri Khan; +Cc: Emacs developers
>>>>> Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> writes:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 at 02:05, Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com> wrote:
>> Well TERM is xterm-256color in xterm and zsh, but st-256color in
>> stterm and screen-256color in tmux.
> Looks sane. (Except that zsh is not a terminal emulator.)
>> For the input-decode-map, do you mean the output from the emacs
>> variable "input-decode-map"? I'm using emacs -Q so the variable
>> value covers many lines - do you want all of that?
> Just see if it has these entries:
> (keymap (27 keymap ;; ESC (91 keymap ;; [ (53 keymap ;; 5 (126
> . [prior]) ;; ~ …) (54 keymap ;; 6 (126 . [next]) ;; ~ …) …) …)
> …)
Yes, there are there. I get
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Value:
(keymap
(27 keymap
(91 keymap
(53 keymap
(126 .
[prior])
(59 keymap
(50 keymap
(126 .
[S-prior]))))
(54 keymap
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> Also, you don’t do anything funny like remapping ESC, do you?
Well I do have
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
in ~/.Xdefaults. I did commented that out and it had no effect. Also I
had moved out the way my ~/.Xdefaults (and ~/.Xresources) but again
there was no difference.
I should point out that <PageUp> and <PageDown> do work in xterm (using
emacs-29.0.50) for other buffers (e.g. the buffer produced by C-h v for
the input-decode-map variable). It is in the mini-buffer produced by "C-h
?" where the keys don't work. I haven't checked all buffers.
Best wishes,
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 19:23 ` Yuri Khan
2021-12-13 20:22 ` Colin Baxter 😺
@ 2021-12-13 20:27 ` Andreas Schwab
1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2021-12-13 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yuri Khan; +Cc: Colin Baxter 😺, Emacs developers
On Dez 14 2021, Yuri Khan wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 at 02:05, Colin Baxter 😺 <m43cap@yandex.com> wrote:
>
>> Well TERM is xterm-256color in xterm and zsh, but st-256color in stterm
>> and screen-256color in tmux.
>
> Looks sane. (Except that zsh is not a terminal emulator.)
>
>> For the input-decode-map, do you mean the
>> output from the emacs variable "input-decode-map"? I'm using emacs -Q so
>> the variable value covers many lines - do you want all of that?
>
> Just see if it has these entries:
The problem is that help-for-help uses an overriding-local-map that
makes almost all keys undefined, including the ESC key. If ESC where
bound to nil, all the input-decode-map mappings would still work.
--
Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org
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* Re: terminal scrolling in help
2021-12-13 7:39 terminal scrolling in help Colin Baxter 😺
2021-12-13 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-13 17:00 ` Yuri Khan
@ 2021-12-13 17:08 ` Andreas Schwab
2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2021-12-13 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Colin Baxter 😺; +Cc: emacs-devel
On Dez 13 2021, Colin Baxter 😺 wrote:
> In emacs-28.0.90 (and emacs-29.0.50) the user is now told to use
> <PageDown>, <PageUp> to scroll, neither of which work in xterm,
> stterm or urxvt
That looks like a bug.
--
Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org
GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1
"And now for something completely different."
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