From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: configurable means hard? [was: ... easier explanation how to setup gnus ...] Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:19:02 +0700 Message-ID: References: <5i61va9u7p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8761v9fp6k.fsf@abbey.wistly.net> <1851107a-51f8-4514-a47d-0d0a6ce4fc4b@default> <87a9klcp0w.fsf@abbey.wistly.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1376457560 31447 80.91.229.3 (14 Aug 2013 05:19:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 05:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" , Carson Chittom To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 14 07:19:23 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V9TUQ-0006YJ-4R for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:19:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49571 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9TUP-0006TD-K7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 01:19:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52439) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9TU9-0006QL-Mn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 01:19:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9TU8-0007kR-PR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 01:19:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-la0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]:46714) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9TU8-0007k8-Ht for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 01:19:04 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id eo20so6509683lab.34 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:19:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=reVH9/GKWh6Qn+nMb+1FtZOa8dsJfbheVIn532uQ60A=; b=CIb/R6fBZVwtcN7N2wBgdLKjlj0JFdd0bwDJobVmLbYHlH69Vwg2MRp9HAInsHRroH ZKBVUi4+yScH5pTWr06RxDS2xlk26nxW6ybpmbCX81dwu4NZzaxqcEVoefWU6hFlfPpE X6z5RulV+GbUfj4pQazTFcuaZ9cn87KvM3Q9B6+pYAzBQsqisE551ibp8eKozTRkSL4Q VNp06DelRD5kqCXWmlJxVQEpQ2h6FRKJXTSxdxi9PLuU4H4NihD3fE9HFl3+J26ukG9l ZvfJT4O5vuzDM9nCmmuU+4PLFbH9fTaptiQniyK3p6WpP+qWeuQDGZzpxdj4Wtnyve2C ImYA== X-Received: by 10.152.5.162 with SMTP id t2mr6906709lat.1.1376457542691; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.114.185.101 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:19:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: VGg_X-HxRM5OG1NsQeEk3ruxDis X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92866 Archived-At: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Drew Adams wrote: > Mouseover text can sometimes help describe what a menu item does. For > `New Frame', for instance, it could say "Open a new frame (window-manager > window)" instead of just "Open a new frame". Oh no! Now poor grandpa has to know about window managers. And now Emacs explicitly calls two different things =E2=80=9Cwindows=E2=80=9D. > But that probably won't help much for an item like `New Window Below'. > I suppose it could add "(frame pane)" or "(pane)" after "window" in the > help, but at some point this becomes too much. For me, the point of too much is immediately when alternative terminology is included in parentheses. Why can=E2=80=99t we rename windows to panes and frames to windows? > The terminology is a bit of a special case, however. Once past the basic= -terminology hurdle and the how-do-I-access-help hurdle, things go more > smoothly. Problem is, the user won=E2=80=99t read help. At least not for features the= y expect to =E2=80=9Cjust work=E2=80=9D.