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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321197 Archived-At: On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 at 01:04, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > I'm going to ask a dangerous question: do people use the existing > bindings for "C-x " and "C-x "? No. These implement navigation through a list of a hundred or two, where you see one item at a time, and navigate one item at a time, and all this using a non-repeatable key. Compare Ibuffer, where you see a whole page of items, can navigate one item at a time with arrows, one page at a time with PgUp/PgDn, or use isearch. Most of the times I switch buffers with C-x or C-x is by mistake when I don=E2=80=99t wait long enough between a cua-mode cut and= a cursor motion.