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From: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
To: Mirek Kaim <mirek.kaim@outlook.com>
Cc: "nljlistbox2@gmail.com" <nljlistbox2@gmail.com>,
	"rms@gnu.org" <rms@gnu.org>,
	"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	"cloos@jhcloos.com" <cloos@jhcloos.com>,
	Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, "larsi@gnus.org" <larsi@gnus.org>
Subject: Re: Turning off colorization
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 08:32:39 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP_d_8UH5S8fpcymCJCcdN6zd6oETiEyRgHfCAVevaZe1PgW5A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <COL131-W8523827475F2558361A7584800@phx.gbl>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:37 AM, Mirek Kaim <mirek.kaim@outlook.com> wrote:

> it is website's author responsibility to make it readable. all that's needed is proper display of all the colors defined. in that regard, turning off colorization for terminals unable to report their background color is kinda pointless. all that matters is if 256 colors are supported - because if not, then there's no sure way to display a website in readable manner without discarding all rainbowy stuff. on the other side, if 256 colors are supported, then the current background shouldn't matter and in case of a website display, shouldn't be used at all.

You’re talking about 256 colors as if it were a whole lot.

In fact, 256 is a very limited color space. It includes 16 base
colors, a 6×6×6 color cube, and some 24 shades of gray. The color cube
is typically configured with rather light colors, suitable for use as
foreground on black (hex RGB value starting at 0x5f or something). As
a consequence, there are very few dark non-gray colors in the
256-color palette.

The Web authoring guides of the ’95s talked about “web-safe” colors.
It was assumed these colors could be displayed on any web-enabled
device. Those were defined as a color cube with a linear step of 0x33
for each RGB axis, also giving a 6×6×6 cube, but different from the
xterm defaults.

Web-safe cube: 00 33 66 99 CC FF
xterm cube:    00 5F 87 AF D7 FF

Let’s see how web-safe values are rounded to xterm values.

00 → 00 error 0
33 → 5F error +44 decimal
66 → 5F error -7, notice aliasing
99 → 87 error -18
CC → D7 error +11 notice gap
FF → FF error 0

So the web-safe palette, when approximated in xterm, becomes a 5×5×5
color cube, aliasing the two darker shades of each axis and skipping
the midrange AF value. If anybody uses the 33 and 66 colors as
distinct, well, they are not so distinct any more.


Nowadays, nobody bothers about web-safe colors any more. We have the
Tango palette, the Solarized palette, and a zillion other palettes,
none mapping well to the xterm space.


Instead of coming up with clever heuristics about color remapping, we
had better push for true color support in terminal emulators,
libraries and applications.

https://gist.github.com/XVilka/8346728



  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-11  1:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-04 16:43 Turning off colorization Richard Stallman
2014-11-04 17:11 ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-05  4:57   ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-05  9:11     ` David Kastrup
2014-11-05 11:31       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-05 11:51         ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-05 12:49           ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-05 13:05             ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-05 11:52         ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-05 12:03           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-05 12:30             ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-05 12:23         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-05 12:52           ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-05 17:06             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-05 17:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-05 17:35               ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-05 19:56                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-05 20:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-05 12:55           ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-05 13:00           ` Yoni Rabkin
2014-11-05 14:00           ` James Cloos
2014-11-05 18:13             ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-05 23:37               ` James Cloos
2014-11-06 10:05                 ` David Kastrup
2014-11-06 15:26                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-06 16:03                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-11-06 16:53                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-07  7:13                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-07 14:43                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-08  6:44                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-08 15:26                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-09 20:06                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-07  7:12                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-05 15:02         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-06 20:13           ` N. Jackson
2014-11-06 21:42             ` Tim Cross
2014-11-06 23:14             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-07  0:10               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-11-07  4:13                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-05 18:12       ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-05 11:05     ` Phillip Lord
2014-11-04 20:59 ` Nic Ferrier
     [not found]   ` <CAG-q9=a+nTM3KhYeBfzvSZOWKMjdDgaUyQw25_NkAkoad3QwOw@mail.gmail.com>
2014-11-05  1:09     ` Kelvin White
2014-11-05  2:10       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-05  8:23         ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2014-11-06 16:47 ` N. Jackson
2014-11-06 17:36   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-06 19:55     ` N. Jackson
2014-11-06 18:00   ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2014-11-06 19:44     ` N. Jackson
2014-11-06 19:44   ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-06 19:49     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-07  6:36       ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-07  7:06         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-07  7:59           ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-07  9:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-06 21:55   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-07  0:04   ` James Cloos
2014-11-07 13:57     ` Gregor Zattler
2014-11-07 14:02       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-07 14:47         ` Gregor Zattler
2014-11-07 15:06           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-07 15:27             ` Gregor Zattler
2014-11-07 16:59       ` James Cloos
2014-11-07 19:12         ` Mirek Kaim
2014-11-07 18:36       ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-07  7:13   ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-07  8:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-08  6:44       ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-08  8:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-08 21:36           ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-08 22:18           ` James Cloos
2014-11-08 22:30             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-08 22:51               ` James Cloos
2014-11-09  1:30                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-09  3:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-10 15:29                   ` Mirek Kaim
2014-11-10 16:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-10 18:37                       ` Mirek Kaim
2014-11-11  1:32                         ` Yuri Khan [this message]
2014-11-11 17:58                           ` Mirek Kaim
2014-11-09  3:45                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-09 14:57                   ` James Cloos
2014-11-09 16:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-09 20:07                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-09 20:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-10 19:07                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-10 19:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]     ` <<83r3xfs8mx.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-11-07 14:43       ` Drew Adams
2014-11-07 15:28         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-07 15:40           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-07 16:08             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-08  6:44             ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-09  4:14 ` Paul W. Rankin
2014-11-09 20:08   ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-09 22:03   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-10  1:41     ` Paul Rankin

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