From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Akira Kyle Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On Contributing To Emacs Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 13:52:15 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87k0fn8od1.fsf@gnus.org> <83y242ip0a.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnjlgs4b.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3260"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Richard Stallman , Emacs developers To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 01 21:53:23 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n3lNT-0000YR-8V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2022 21:53:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38172 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3lNR-00063w-55 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2022 15:53:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48472) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3lMe-0005N0-9R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2022 15:52:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lf1-f41.google.com ([209.85.167.41]:42564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3lMc-0000PR-NI; Sat, 01 Jan 2022 15:52:31 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-lf1-f41.google.com with SMTP id h2so56186856lfv.9; Sat, 01 Jan 2022 12:52:29 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0qTUrJDXhDmgWy79ugf+1XcyVTGtxCfCW8/1Jlz5SJo=; b=ksSs/pfREGe1m0AlvIyGnfhs1/xQUpiX7VltAZ2p4rjQioaalDu+omZwHCM1RobYyp oTqsvq4T3q/RDtQjLpPtBbbtAHdkjOmcBDDyKyyGLIiUa42AKwd0gvsjyS7WjOzNY3Zn BGLEQJMCb8j9lEZT5kaCy+I6oyKEL+mNeZPQF6v5JzdeMmoPHdab+031cCdS90gvizWJ WKJsA45yIv0oA9rYPGBrnfFShjzyXCcw5gaK5SFm79rqr4UVGi3OCiQBxlYpLY2iLDtj SwbTslT4iZKKNbs8B00L9BDUwufZLnthpVCoPVN8xVK7Mp0mM/sA0Hi+Pvg8bjcCsQYX DR0g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532sTZqavQu7pD/nzX2xprKlh0NKj1mdSD1dJaazgJx3a7Ab4IRT i7oCz9DEUaXUASJ13QLeH1+/XXcoOEHSDv0F X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyHxuITClmJCla6njHNGsHZKnYqfYJW2Taasv1e106c/b8IjWH0eydUCpL2gZzSsmAQMy436g== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:2398:: with SMTP id c24mr35291942lfv.194.1641070347625; Sat, 01 Jan 2022 12:52:27 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from mail-lf1-f44.google.com (mail-lf1-f44.google.com. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283820 Archived-At: On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 12:17 AM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Based on the initial reactions to my original mail, it seems emacs > > is not ready to even make such a reevaluation. > > That'd be one interpretation of what you read, but it isn't the only > one. Nor is it the most friendly one, frankly. > Sorry for my initial uncharitable view of how emacs-devel thinks about this. > The truth is that we reevaluate this as much as other projects do (how > else would a reasonable person react when he or she reads the > discussions like those that happened recently on GCC and glibc > lists?), we just conclude that the policy should not change, because > the alternatives propose for the copyright assignment are worse than > what we have. I was not aware that GCC had even changed its process until this email thread. The little bit I've read so far about that change does make me better understand the attitudes people have here towards the topic. I do hope there may still be ways of improving the current process emacs uses for assigments.