From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jordi_Guti=C3=A9rrez_Hermoso?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: DVCSes, bug trackers, and GNUness Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:50:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bomfy8a8.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335379861 29035 80.91.229.3 (25 Apr 2012 18:51:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , Emacs development discussions To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 25 20:51:01 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SN7Io-0005iV-22 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:50:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54948 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN7In-0001zW-AZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:50:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49456) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN7Ij-0001zG-PE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:50:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN7Ii-00044Z-0m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:50:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:40827) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN7Ih-00042o-P2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:50:51 -0400 Original-Received: by iajr24 with SMTP id r24so569021iaj.0 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:50:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GThW+cm9hBbYMDSL3LmsxEuEYdYUkAbw3EJqrX0CR4k=; b=csty1j0Lc4pJd2SUbCQ5Q//t7mEjrHjm+ezu9ZsLphysp2o4H3j+cfKHRnYySEA11M 659P3WLbutetk1uehx6Bu8svfKgwDp1sShpus0RyVb3V68nVOiu8AusoQYhrYU6nHEKO QlaVqctxjFWv89aMi32+thJFVkXKGBjmjLJdLsRw8huFhD7gHOi9o0M0bRGh7M3qQGTw UUVUXsYQWMLKWcLEAr10Zz+SwPt8t7RXWqtOrXr3XaVEujHK2Yq0H5dFNfMSsAeFQi8+ 6vswPLRPfcqONjsBKJuss7wcJo1fcBVcXaM9GQB9/IA3yTz4+R+9hdKifwTJWq/3dHhU V1/w== Original-Received: by 10.42.66.84 with SMTP id o20mr3119420ici.25.1335379849891; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.39.133 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:50:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87bomfy8a8.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: gpQYctl60WlGS2dgZQ14UInlDus X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150025 Archived-At: 2012/4/25 Karl Fogel : > Jordi Guti=C3=A9rrez Hermoso writes: >>2012/4/25 Stefan Monnier : >>>> Shouldn't we switch to Savannah and fix it? =C2=A0Isn't that what we'r= e >>>> supposed to do about bzr? =C2=A0Why isn't there an executive decision = to >>>> prefer the GNU package? >>> >>> I'd rather not discuss the Bzr decision. >> >>No, let's. Because I know you're tired of it, and I know why you are: >>It's the decision everyone hated but taken only because of GNUness. >> >>I want a similar decision for the BTS. If it's about GNUness, then >>stop using debbugs. Technical merits don't matter, right? That's >>what everyone said about bzr. So, if technical merits don't matter, >>I want you to force everyone to stop using debbugs, no matter how >>painful it is, and to start working with me on fixing Savane. > > No one ever said that technical merits don't matter. =C2=A0What several > people, including Richard, said was that all other things being > equal -- or close enough to equal -- then Emacs should go with the > GNU project. That criterion was certainly met with Bzr. Okay, so I'm getting a consistent message that if I want people to prefer Savane over debbugs, I need to first make sure Savane can have an email and SOAP interface. Is this accurate? Then it's a GNU project with comparable features to debbugs, so then there will be no reason to keep using debbugs. Am I understanding this correctly? - Jordi G. H.