From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jordi_Guti=C3=A9rrez_Hermoso?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: DVCSes, bug trackers, and GNUness Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:02:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335376983 5965 80.91.229.3 (25 Apr 2012 18:03:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs development discussions To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 25 20:03:02 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SN6YP-000629-MK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:03:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42100 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN6YP-0001Fm-1Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:03:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54590) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN6YL-0001FU-6X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:02:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN6YF-0002Bx-1X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:02:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:43066) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN6YE-0002Bs-Oq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:02:50 -0400 Original-Received: by iajr24 with SMTP id r24so507738iaj.0 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:02:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bavkua5L00fugNGmP6bXnGwrq8nvqqGJ94cCVo04MOI=; b=vy+B9KBiWKZd/SW3EOXb0mScgJ3NZSbHBu7WXMFZExDUoBmR5yGb2ZyLmRGp6nqcUP rOcwNC8sw6MK/5ItL+0DQi0vc2IacKVNDDiSJ9cDIzcBlfjEZObEzSw35BnaD72etaJO EmDodM6+mQc2glnaXU+E6aE0nmS7/LflSGheI3vI57WDkcqV8C1MlNzDoCji7PUHI7qK qmxA66MD0WmOjn33EnzB8ISwDta0LkwI13rLTSZLSQNUHh1tryVoHw2qI0FuEdON92Go ic+dNaXerq5lf/UQw3BmEK3LHaq7dFcb9Cn6EEPQyDlanc9kGWlXBXdS0BKz/57Z1MKU wFVA== Original-Received: by 10.50.187.231 with SMTP id fv7mr7549358igc.51.1335376968048; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.39.133 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:02:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: Q_LvYJwzJN5Ey3RsCCbYehEJv4E X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150022 Archived-At: 2012/4/25 Stefan Monnier : >> Shouldn't we switch to Savannah and fix it? =C2=A0Isn't that what we're >> supposed to do about bzr? =C2=A0Why isn't there an executive decision to >> prefer the GNU package? > > I'd rather not discuss the Bzr decision. No, let's. Because I know you're tired of it, and I know why you are: It's the decision everyone hated but taken only because of GNUness. I want a similar decision for the BTS. If it's about GNUness, then stop using debbugs. Technical merits don't matter, right? That's what everyone said about bzr. So, if technical merits don't matter, I want you to force everyone to stop using debbugs, no matter how painful it is, and to start working with me on fixing Savane. Be consistent. Either do it for all of Emacs infrastructure or none. Don't be selective about what gets the GNU stamp of approval and what doesn't. - Jordi G. H.