From: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Opportunistic GC
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 14:57:06 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOqdjBfYVisDn63R1SnQzcGUgP8R3UV6SkyR20Y-taiRb=2=OQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83a6rdso07.fsf@gnu.org>
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 2:45 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > From: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 07:20:28 +0000
> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> >
> > My implementation proposal would be to pipe(), fork(), run GC, then
> > send through the pipe the Lisp_Objects which can be collected by the
> > original Emacs.
>
> What happens when, on a 8GB machine, we have an Emacs session with a
> 5GB memory footprint, and you fork and start marking (which triggers
> copy-on-write)?
That is, indeed, one of the cases in which we have to use the
synchronous GC or suffer the consequences.
Let me be clear about that: yes, it would use (up to) 10 GB of memory,
if you really have 5 GB of Lisp data.
> Also, I quite frequently need to run Emacs on a system where I'm
> forbidden to run more than 2 processes simultaneously ("make -j3"
> aborts with an error message), and you propose to take those two
> processes with 2 copies of Emacs?
That is, indeed, one of the cases in which we have to use synchronous GC.
> IOW, I don't believe this scales well enough.
I believe it has applications, including my own personal use of Emacs.
I don't believe it's universally better than synchronous GC.
> > Eli, would this qualify as a "small" GC change, and thus be vetoed?
> I don't yet see how it is a good idea to begin with. I'm probably
> missing something.
Once in a while, every few days or so, GC happens at an inconvenient
time to me. I'd like to interrupt it, but I can't. I'd like for Emacs
not to become unresponsive while it's mark-and-sweeping, but it is.
Sometimes, I end up killing Emacs rather than waiting for GC to
complete.
Pip
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-03-08 14:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-08 3:35 Opportunistic GC Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 7:20 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 8:26 ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 9:02 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 9:51 ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 10:44 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 11:37 ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 12:27 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 18:06 ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 18:24 ` Concurrent GC via fork (was: Opportunistic GC) Stefan Monnier
2021-03-09 8:10 ` Concurrent GC via fork martin rudalics
2021-03-10 20:35 ` Opportunistic GC Pip Cet
2021-03-08 11:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-08 12:55 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 14:06 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:02 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:39 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 16:35 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 16:11 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 14:01 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 15:04 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 15:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 15:52 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 16:14 ` Philipp Stephani
2021-03-08 16:18 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 16:40 ` Philipp Stephani
2021-03-08 16:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-10 20:25 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10 20:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 7:55 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11 8:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 9:03 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11 9:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 10:11 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11 11:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-09 6:22 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-09 8:11 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10 5:52 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-08 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 14:57 ` Pip Cet [this message]
2021-03-08 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-09 13:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-10 20:21 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10 20:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 8:06 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11 9:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 16:03 ` Concurrent GC via `fork` (was: Opportunistic GC) Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 16:25 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 17:37 ` Concurrent GC via `fork` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 19:21 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-10 17:18 ` Opportunistic GC Matt Armstrong
2021-03-10 19:38 ` Pip Cet
2022-07-05 1:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-05 13:49 ` T.V Raman
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