From: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>,
eliz@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Opportunistic GC
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:55:07 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOqdjBf2Z-MtKffBQNPQgRtu6SB4wNScKCO_PfWoKWp_eaw7PA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=_NnCukVGtgARuPfncTH5Lybknq8adeYGV==bvHmzfWA@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 11:38 AM Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com> writes:
> > Note that none of this is "real" GC: we still mark and sweep, just in
> > a slightly smarter way.
>
> Do you see any significant pros (or cons) to the approach you suggest as
> compared to a generational GC?
In general, I see significant cons in my approach of incrementally
improving GC a little here and there: a complete rewrite would be much
better (but, at least at this point in time, I'm not volunteering for
it). So I think any time sunk into this may be lost, eventually, and
we're only patching holes in our straw hut until we find time to
demolish it and build a skyscraper instead.
Other cons:
- requires POSIX
- requires efficient OS paging
Pros:
- it's cheap, typically (i.e. on GNU/Linux with a "typical" workload)
- it's easy to do (comparatively)
- there are going to be tangible and immediate benefits
- it's a first step towards making GC more hackable again, so a future
GCologist will find it easier to implement generational GC
> Would we want/need to move to a generational GC if we had what you
> describe?
Yes. Absolutely.
As I said above, I think this might actually help generational GC
implementations a lot: those are going to want a "tell me which
objects would be collected if I ran mark-and-sweep now" function for
checking, and that's what this is.
Pip
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-03-08 12:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-08 3:35 Opportunistic GC Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 7:20 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 8:26 ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 9:02 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 9:51 ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 10:44 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 11:37 ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 12:27 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 18:06 ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 18:24 ` Concurrent GC via fork (was: Opportunistic GC) Stefan Monnier
2021-03-09 8:10 ` Concurrent GC via fork martin rudalics
2021-03-10 20:35 ` Opportunistic GC Pip Cet
2021-03-08 11:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-08 12:55 ` Pip Cet [this message]
2021-03-08 14:06 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:02 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:39 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 16:35 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 16:11 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 14:01 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 15:04 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 15:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 15:52 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 16:14 ` Philipp Stephani
2021-03-08 16:18 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 16:40 ` Philipp Stephani
2021-03-08 16:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-10 20:25 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10 20:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 7:55 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11 8:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 9:03 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11 9:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 10:11 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11 11:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-09 6:22 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-09 8:11 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10 5:52 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-08 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 14:57 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-09 13:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-10 20:21 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10 20:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 8:06 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11 9:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 16:03 ` Concurrent GC via `fork` (was: Opportunistic GC) Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 16:25 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 17:37 ` Concurrent GC via `fork` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 19:21 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-10 17:18 ` Opportunistic GC Matt Armstrong
2021-03-10 19:38 ` Pip Cet
2022-07-05 1:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-05 13:49 ` T.V Raman
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