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From: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
Subject: Re: Opportunistic GC
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 07:55:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOqdjBe_VbXn0fMWUAQRraNNtwYy=kPGCe_vcDJ-Fp=mwdHAng@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <838s6uohv2.fsf@gnu.org>

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:48 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > From: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 20:25:04 +0000
> > Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> >
> > > There are other potential complications with this, related to
> > > threads.  Posix says 'fork' only copies a single thread, the one that
> > > called it, but what if that single thread is not the main thread?
> >
> > Why would that be a problem?
>
> Well, I mentioned one aspect that should be considered below.  There
> are probably others, as we never intended for one of these threads to
> be left alone.  E.g., what about error handling? non-main threads have
> a very simplistic one.

GC doesn't throw, though, and we're in a non-returning function.

> > > In
> > > Emacs nowadays a non-main Lisp thread can trigger GC.  What happens to
> > > the mutexes we use in the threads machinery when we fork like that?
> >
> > In the child, they're irrelevant
>
> They are?  Don't you intend to send the results to the parent process?

I do intend to do that. I'm currently using write synchronously, and I
don't see a problem with that.

> or read some stuff from the parent?

Not right now, no.

> Doesn't that mean you'd need to
> call pselect?

Not at present, no. But even if I did, how would that make mutexes relevant?

> > Everything should be fine...
> Famous last words ;-)

Precisely.

Pip



  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-11  7:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-08  3:35 Opportunistic GC Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08  7:20 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08  8:26   ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08  9:02     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08  9:51       ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 10:44         ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 11:37           ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 12:27             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 18:06               ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 18:24                 ` Concurrent GC via fork (was: Opportunistic GC) Stefan Monnier
2021-03-09  8:10                   ` Concurrent GC via fork martin rudalics
2021-03-10 20:35                 ` Opportunistic GC Pip Cet
2021-03-08 11:38           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-08 12:55             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 14:06             ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 14:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:02             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 15:23               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:39                 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 16:27                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 16:35                     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 17:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:46               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 16:11                 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 16:37                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 14:01   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 15:04     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 15:50       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 15:52       ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 16:14         ` Philipp Stephani
2021-03-08 16:18           ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 16:40             ` Philipp Stephani
2021-03-08 16:44         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 17:13           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-10 20:25             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10 20:48               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11  7:55                 ` Pip Cet [this message]
2021-03-11  8:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11  9:03                     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11  9:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 10:11                         ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11 11:35                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-09  6:22           ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-09  8:11             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10  5:52               ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-08 14:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 14:57     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 15:16       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-09 13:01       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-10 20:21         ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10 20:41           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11  8:06             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11  9:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 16:03   ` Concurrent GC via `fork` (was: Opportunistic GC) Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 16:25     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 17:37       ` Concurrent GC via `fork` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 19:21       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-10 17:18   ` Opportunistic GC Matt Armstrong
2021-03-10 19:38     ` Pip Cet
2022-07-05  1:47   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-05 13:49     ` T.V Raman

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