From: "Jarosław Rzeszótko" <jrzeszotko@gmail.com>
To: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Rename, delete and move current buffer and file
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 18:20:53 +0200 [thread overview]
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On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Yuri Khan <yurivkhan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 8:59 PM Jarosław Rzeszótko <jrzeszotko@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It is surprisingly hard to do this in Emacs […]
> > You can use dired, but I personally find it to be a distraction for this
> use case.
>
> Why?
>
I personally most often want this when working on a programming project, I
have a bunch of files open and I am in the middle of a planned sequence of
changes, popping up a new buffer and dealing with dired which I do not
otherwise use much breaks my concentration. It is hard to explain this
fully rationally, but judging by how many .emacs, libraries, wiki pages
etc. I have seen that have rename-file-and-buffer in them I am not the only
one.
Note that an interactive delete-file function already exists, but it
doesn't kill the associated buffer. That's why I consider it a gap in the
Emacs set of functions. There are three sets of operations: file operations
(rename-file, delete-file), buffer operations (rename-buffer, kill-buffer)
and some file+buffer operations (set-visited-file-name). It would be nice
if there was some unity among the three sets, so that it would be possible
to do the common operations in all three ways (file/buffer/file+buffer),
and that the naming is reasonably consistent. Of course backwards
compatibility is an issue as always.
> [...]
> > A very similar related pain point is that it is hard to get the path and
> directory of the current buffers visited file.
>
> Your favorite binding of ‘find-file’, followed by your preferred method to
> get the current line to clipboard. (This breaks if you ‘cd’ to a different
> directory while editing a file.)
>
This is not that easy if you use a completion system like ivy or ido. It's
also not nice from an elisp standpoint, that for the two strongly related
things, one is accessible only as a variable and the other either as a
command or function.
>
> > Finally, while we are discussing functions everyone re-implements in
> their .emacs, please lets make transpose-windows happen as an Emacs builtin
> :)
>
> You mean the windcycle library?
>
I mean:
https://github.com/bbatsov/crux/blob/master/crux.el#L471
https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TransposeWindows
Sure there are packages to do this, it just seems strange among the many
built-in window functions there is no transpose. Again, you will easily
find very many .emacs on the web implementing a function like this, which
for me looks like a bit of gap in what is provided out-of-the-box.
Cheers,
Jarosław Rzeszótko
On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Yuri Khan <yurivkhan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 8:59 PM Jarosław Rzeszótko <jrzeszotko@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It is surprisingly hard to do this in Emacs […]
> > You can use dired, but I personally find it to be a distraction for this
> use case.
>
> Why?
>
> I think of deleting, renaming and moving as operations on the file as a
> whole and not on its content, so saving the file and going “outside” it is
> the intuitive first step for me. ‘dired-jump’ takes me to the Dired buffer
> of the enclosing directory and puts point on the file. It’s on C-x C-j by
> default, but I bind it on <M-S-up> so my fingers think going “outside” is a
> single spatial movement.
>
> If I want to delete the file, I press D and confirm. To rename, I press R
> and enter the new name; the buffer is renamed automatically.
>
> When copying or moving files, I prefer to see the target directory before I
> do it. So, I split the window, switch there, navigate to the target
> directory, switch back, R (or C to copy), RET (because with
> ‘dired-dwim-target’ set to non-nil the target directory is automatically
> suggested as the default), then deal with any changes to the window
> configuration.
>
> Note here the DWIM behavior: R suggests the directory in the other window,
> but if there is no other window, then the current directory.
>
> > A very similar related pain point is that it is hard to get the path and
> directory of the current buffers visited file.
>
> Your favorite binding of ‘find-file’, followed by your preferred method to
> get the current line to clipboard. (This breaks if you ‘cd’ to a different
> directory while editing a file.)
>
> > Finally, while we are discussing functions everyone re-implements in
> their .emacs, please lets make transpose-windows happen as an Emacs builtin
> :)
>
> You mean the windcycle library?
>
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-07 13:58 Rename, delete and move current buffer and file Jarosław Rzeszótko
2018-05-07 14:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-07 16:20 ` Jarosław Rzeszótko
2018-05-07 17:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-07 17:47 ` Jarosław Rzeszótko
2018-05-08 1:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-08 7:05 ` Jarosław Rzeszótko
2018-05-09 12:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-09 18:12 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-05-09 22:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-10 17:01 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-05-10 21:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-11 7:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-11 15:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-11 15:45 ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-11 16:06 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-05-11 16:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-09 23:50 ` Van L
2018-05-10 5:37 ` Jarosław Rzeszótko
2018-05-10 13:18 ` Van L
2018-05-10 8:20 ` Amit Ramon
2018-05-10 8:59 ` Phil Sainty
2018-05-10 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-07 18:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 1:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-07 15:28 ` Yuri Khan
2018-05-07 16:20 ` Jarosław Rzeszótko [this message]
2018-05-09 11:46 ` Tino Calancha
2018-05-07 15:29 ` Andreas Röhler
2018-05-07 15:38 ` Andreas Röhler
2018-05-10 0:46 ` net june
2018-05-11 6:26 ` Andreas Röhler
2018-05-11 16:10 ` net june
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