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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619330181; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=4mI0wkVrrryEeXTKDUg2gR03yDpD3F59Dzjxc3rB7kw=; b=sXm8SvXBGvxI6pez1I9CtfYNLsvI7gwvQ5cXYF9LodiiDkq63kP3pLjuVgh5j21nmdD56L 6BzDAtvORD/nadP8fKZhDOaPnJxDvtwts++4pQIPrDuATd6MRQbxcNPcTGBxCjAH0gAzh1 Civg1iLHKyQnfsII4O6pZk1+uH/bTThDV+zprcphamJLOopYv9JKVBHGQT0QRujLs5JllT SzbBRmOs7pHE8WF3rL7dnVzoiEaXLHnMiSfcLF8ln8pzvz1fNFX2Qgdwh6LAxq1laXZY4n HaRh5qBicsWZXnowSxUzwB1Gz5rONRxEEmGujiKvwnG1p6ltgjC9LJGEKVD46Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619330181; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Rpz2bvITXs9/ysed8GWEyGtuh/03spQX8/HU9sIXhXmshVi+xiruXSQg6mwu911zxgbJw7 XerCQq4VTzokuaKaxPT3C1Co2/x2UiOUaVwPMZ2b0ccEWmzjoNyAXziPbN/hd9ksVmCtYT KVdzI+C4QVL97Blokb5e14h2xd7DH7iXgK9NTdewgxaKKuEQM9SZZJo6hRNWdQxiQ840DF mYgnKzsWYiMQm5qqkPhhyiOg7H0x4e0MRSrdh1q8/2qNAUvXehGulV2yVDtTyFWpxiBErn 2zrlF6FZRAtAUl2I+B/lN9o633ZZHMiuufsT9onu/nysVZl9IEXnx/Czpn/GMg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=YTMUSy9x; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.14 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=YTMUSy9x; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 95B9DF9CC X-Spam-Score: -3.14 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: CFJTTtAZlj5C Dear All, my 2c on this issue: citeproc-el supports per cite author suppression under the hood, but citeproc-org always maps "suppress author" mode citations to suppressing only the first cite, because my impression was also that this is a citation-level option. This is how the proposal on the citeproc-el wiki treats it too (which was, BTW, joint work with Denis Maier). best regards, Andr=C3=A1s On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 at 00:52, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 4:09 PM Nicolas Goaziou = wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > > > I also came across this post from 2018 from Andras ... > > > > > > https://orgmode.org/list/87in8jaywk.fsf@all.hu/ > > > > > > ... which includes a link to his proposal on what we now call styles, > > > but there he calls (a la the TeX world) commands: > > > > > > https://github.com/andras-simonyi/citeproc-el/wiki/Citation-types-and= -commands > > > > > > There, he includes "suppress author" as one among those. > > > > In both links, he considers stacking a style with suppress-author, for > > example "bare" and "bare + s.a". > > Maybe I'm missing something, but can those not be represented with flat s= tyles? > > E.g. "bare + s.a." is simply something like "date"? > > > So that would be an argument for keeping suppress-author. > > The question I raised is less whether that's needed, and more whether > it's a property of the citation, or the individual items within the > citation. > > Bruce >