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* Re: Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional
@ 2023-01-19 16:53 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
  2023-01-20  8:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 114+ messages in thread
From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez @ 2023-01-19 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

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Hi

Disclaimer: no intention to start a flame war, please...

Now: My experience in the last couple of weeks is that there are
tree-sitter modes in the Emacs tree that have non-ts counterparts in MELPA
only. And that's been frustrating. Basically because I don't compile ts
support and despite that, the treesit .el files are installed and used.
Example: dockerfile-mode is in MELPA only. So when I recently opened a
Dockerfile, I got an error saying that Dockerfile-ts-mode couldn't start
because my emacs hasn't ts support compiled in.

I would have prefered to see the dockerfile opened in text mode with no
errors. And then, when I install the Dockerfile-mode package from MELPA,
start working with all the goodies I got from installing the package from
MELPA.

My gut feeling is that if I don't have treesit support compiled in Emacs, I
don't want *-ts-*.el files in my elisp tree nor any side effects related to
these files. Sorry to say, but I feel that the enthusiasm about treesit
some have is a bit pushing for me. And I feel uncomfortable when pushed.

Thanks, /PA
-- 
Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

Headaches with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run
a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet

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* Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional
@ 2023-02-18  7:55 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
  2023-03-11 12:45 ` Ongaro
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 114+ messages in thread
From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez @ 2023-02-18  7:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 14:05:34 -0800
From: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>, Stefan
        Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, Lars Ingebrigtsen
        <larsi@gnus.org>, Theodor Thornhill <theo@thornhill.no>, Jostein
        Kjønigsen <jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional
Message-ID: <D3655A05-FA31-4B08-BAA5-42EC51F5F6F2@gmail.com>
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 14:05:34 Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 15, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 20:31:46 +0000
>> Cc: juri@linkov.net, casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
>>  larsi@gnus.org, theo@thornhill.no, jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net,
>>  emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
>>
>> But you've got to allow me to have mixed feelings when the project I've
>> put so much into over ~20 years is facing redundancy.
>>
>> It isn't facing redundancy, it's nowhere near that.  You don't need to
>> worry about that.  I expect a significant proportion of users to wish
>> to stay with CC Mode, for several good reasons:
>>
>> . the use cases it handles better that c-ts-mode (cpp stuff etc.)
>> . the plethora of minor conveniences it offers that c-ts-mode
>>   doesn't, at least not yet, such as much more elaborate
>>   customizations of indentation and electric behavior
>>
>> I'm not even sure yet whether I myself will switch.  I will give the
>> c-ts-mode a lot of leeway and credit, but I don't know yet what will
>> be the outcome.

>+1. It’ll be a long way until c-ts-mode can be comparable to c-mode.

>Yuan

+1 here too. With some additional comments. If memory serves, Eli asked for
"user" feedback. Here you are ;-)

I'm using Emacs on different Linuxes, macOS and Windows. With the exception
of Windows, I'm on master for my day-to-day work, which gives credit to the
work behind it :-)

I use it for programming (mainly shell, Python and YAML, including eglot
for Python and the 2-3 golang lines I write) both locally and remotely
(that implies TRAMP), documenting and producing slides (LaTEX and
org-mode). On top of that, I have company-mode activated.

On Linux, I have native-compilation, but not on macOS; probably because I
didn't have the time when I started using it. Now, because in my setup I
scarcely notice the difference, I have lost interest and I'm even thinking
of reverting and disabling native-compilation... I'll tell you in a couple
of months...

Now, have I tried tree-sitter? Yes... I got it running on Linux. But the
fuzz was not worth the gain. I saw from second one what yansippets, tramp,
eglot (you name it) was offering and I decided to go for it (BTW, I'm so
happy that eglot is is part of Emacs now). I don't see it in tree-sitter.

so, I know this is not exactly FOSS compliant, but it is part of the
experience that may shy away users outside FOSS operating systems:

In non-free operating systems, it is getting more difficult to get compiled
third-party libraries downloaded and running. So, I don't anticipate it
will easy with the tree-sitter DLLs or DYLIBs if you get them from the
outside world. This means that you will need to compile them on your system
to work with them. And that will be yet another argument for sys-admins to
ban Emacs from the "professional" programming environment. And I think
that's really sad...

My .2 cents, /PA

PS: I'd rather see yasnippets moving into Emacs... IMvHO that's part of a
*nice* user-experience that makes Emacs appealing :-)
-- 
Fragen sind nicht da, um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

Headaches with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run
a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet

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* bug#60559: 29.0.60; "Cannot activate tree-sitter" spam
@ 2023-01-04 14:48 Eric Gillespie
  2023-01-04 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 114+ messages in thread
From: Eric Gillespie @ 2023-01-04 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 60559

1. emacs -Q Cargo.toml
2. emacs -Q Dockerfile

Expected results:
Files opened without fanfare, as emacs always faithfully did for me
these last 25 years.

Actual results:
In both cases, a *Warnings* buffer pops up noisily occupying half the
screen and showing a bright red emoji saying:

	Warning (treesit): Cannot activate tree-sitter, because
	tree-sitter library is not compiled with Emacs

In GNU Emacs 29.0.60 (build 5, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo
 version 1.16.0) of 2023-01-03 built on dogato
Repository revision: da69f116bfc37d28942ca6d35eaff978e6805bac
Repository branch: emacs-29
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12003000
System Description: openSUSE Leap 15.4

Configured using:
 'configure -C --prefix=/home/epg/.local --disable-silent-rules
 --without-libsystemd --without-xft --without-m17n-flt
 --without-toolkit-scroll-bars --without-gpm --without-dbus
 --without-gsettings --without-selinux --without-compress-install
 --with-x CC=gcc-11'

Configured features:
CAIRO FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LIBXML2 MODULES
NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF WEBP
X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM LUCID ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $LC_CTYPE: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Dockerfile

Minor modes in effect:
  tooltip-mode: t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  indent-tabs-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t

Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
(shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message mailcap yank-media puny dired
dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epa derived epg rfc6068
epg-config gnus-util text-property-search time-date subr-x mm-decode
mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader
sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils
dockerfile-ts-mode vc-git diff-mode easy-mmode vc-dispatcher warnings
icons toml-ts-mode treesit cl-seq cl-loaddefs cl-lib rmc iso-transl
tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks
lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd
tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace
newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar
rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock
font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq
simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang
misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms
cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian
cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table
epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button
loaddefs theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window
text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule
custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads inotify
dynamic-setting font-render-setting cairo x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty
make-network-process emacs)

Memory information:
((conses 16 45439 9825)
 (symbols 48 5990 0)
 (strings 32 17025 1792)
 (string-bytes 1 480690)
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 (buffers 976 13))





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2023-01-19 16:53 Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-20  8:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-20 16:31   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-20 19:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 11:30       ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-21 11:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22  6:23           ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-01-22  6:38             ` Eli Zaretskii
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2023-02-18  7:55 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-03-11 12:45 ` Ongaro
2023-01-04 14:48 bug#60559: 29.0.60; "Cannot activate tree-sitter" spam Eric Gillespie
2023-01-04 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-04 19:40   ` Daniel Martín via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-01-04 20:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-05  6:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-15 14:01         ` Make all tree-sitter modes optional Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-15 23:39           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16  7:43             ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-01-16 16:30               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 12:34             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-16 13:06               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 14:20                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-16 14:50                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-16 14:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 12:59                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 13:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 14:32                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 14:52                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 15:22                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 17:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 17:10                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 17:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 17:59                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 18:04                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 18:21                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 18:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 18:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-17 19:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 19:21                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18  1:11                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2023-01-18  1:23                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18  3:34                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18  3:52                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18 12:06                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18 14:00                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-18 14:51                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18 12:36                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-01-16  1:12           ` Po Lu
2023-01-17 17:30           ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 17:58             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-17 18:19               ` Juri Linkov
2023-01-17 18:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-14 19:08               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-14 19:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-14 21:02                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 15:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 17:57                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 18:33                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 20:31                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-16  5:41                             ` tomas
2023-02-16  7:27                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 22:05                               ` Yuan Fu
     [not found]                           ` <87v8k2g04m.fsf@dick>
2023-02-15 20:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <87mt5eegkw.fsf@dick>
2023-02-16  7:53                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  8:52                                   ` Po Lu
2023-02-15 21:40                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-17 13:30                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-17 13:37                             ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 13:46                               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-17 14:16                                 ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 14:40                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-17 14:56                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-17 15:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-17 16:04                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-02-17 17:42                                         ` Morgan Willcock
2023-02-17 15:15                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-17 13:54                               ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                               ` <d4c1a7f6-b5bf-f4f3-8d79-1c6b1d07cf70@yandex.ru>
2023-02-17 14:22                                 ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 14:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-17 15:18                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-15 18:34                         ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:01                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-15 19:26                             ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 19:53                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 20:06                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 21:04                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16  7:42                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  9:49                                         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2023-02-16 11:48                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 14:41                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16 15:42                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 16:45                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16 17:05                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 19:14                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 20:07                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-16  5:45                                     ` tomas
2023-02-16  8:26                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16 10:30                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-02-16 12:38                                           ` Po Lu
2023-02-16 12:53                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-15 20:24                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16  7:05                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  7:53                                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-16  8:34                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-16  8:46                                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-16 11:58                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 11:56                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 14:48                                       ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2023-02-16 14:56                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-02-16 15:15                                           ` Theodor Thornhill
2023-02-15 23:48                               ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-02-16  2:56                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 19:07                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 19:27                             ` Stefan Monnier
2023-02-15 21:06                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2023-02-16  7:44                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-15 18:25                 ` Juri Linkov

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