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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284164 Archived-At: --000000000000d4cc5e05d4c3b1e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it was like that in XEmacs and always +1 to doing things carefully :-) On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 16:48, Robert Pluim wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 10:17:46 -0500, Stefan Kangas < > stefankangas@gmail.com> said: > > Stefan> Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> What would that mean for users that currently save their > >> customizations through Custom in .emacs? Would it mean that the > next > >> time they save customizations, they will be written to another fil= e > >> and removed from .emacs? > > Stefan> Good question. > > Stefan> I imagine that we would just leave things in place for such > users. It > Stefan> would be slightly jarring to have things moved around behind > the users > Stefan> back. > > Stefan> But maybe it would be a good idea to provide a migration > command to > Stefan> conveniently move things. > > Stefan> Or we could prompt the user about moving it. To avoid being > annoying, > Stefan> we could record the answer, and not prompt again if the > question was > Stefan> already asked. > > Didn=CA=BCt XEmacs have a "would you like to move .emacs to > .xemacs/init.el" startup thingy? It=CA=BCs been a while since I used > XEmacs. *If* we did this, we=CA=BCd have to be very careful when it got > triggered, lest hordes of pitchfork-wielding users descend. > > Robert > -- > --=20 Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler --000000000000d4cc5e05d4c3b1e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<LoL> I think it was like that in XEmacs and always = +1 to doing things carefully :-)

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 16:48, Robert Plu= im <rpluim@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
>>>>= > On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 10:17:46 -0500, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> s= aid:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> What would that mean for users that currently save t= heir
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> customizations through Custom in .emacs?=C2=A0 Would= it mean that the next
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> time they save customizations, they will be written = to another file
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> and removed from .emacs?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan> Good question.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan> I imagine that we would just leave things in place= for such users.=C2=A0 It
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan> would be slightly jarring to have things moved aro= und behind the users
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan> back.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan> But maybe it would be a good idea to provide a mig= ration command to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan> conveniently move things.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan> Or we could prompt the user about moving it.=C2=A0= To avoid being annoying,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan> we could record the answer, and not prompt again i= f the question was
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan> already asked.

Didn=CA=BCt XEmacs have a "would you like to move .emacs to
.xemacs/init.el" startup thingy? It=CA=BCs been a while since I used XEmacs. *If* we did this, we=CA=BCd have to be very careful when it got
triggered, lest hordes of pitchfork-wielding users descend.

Robert
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Fragen sin= d nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um gestellt zu= werden
Georg Kreisler
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