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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321186 Archived-At: --000000000000c38e50061c4652cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 14:25:51 +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >> Hi Alan, >> On 01/07/2024 13:07, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> > The above is true, but it misses the point. That point is that once the >> > Emacs maintenance team has added a_default_ binding, that can never in >> > the future be changed. People will scream "backward compatibility" >> > until the heat death of the universe. >> People screaming "backward compatibility" for each and every reason can >> indeed be a problem. Backward compatibility should indeed be an issue. If you can't open a line and continue editing at the end of the line with one keystroke, as you have been doing for the last 30 years (and continue to do) and you are called a problem, you may be more than just 'annoyed'. A bit of respect, please /PA Fragen sind nicht da, um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --000000000000c38e50061c4652cf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 14:25:51 +0300, Dmitry Gutov= wrote:
<= span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif">>> Hi Al= an,

>> On 01/07/2024 13:07, Ala= n Mackenzie wrote:
>= ;> > The above is true, but it misses the point.=C2=A0 That point is = that once the
>>= > Emacs maintenance team has added a_default_=C2=A0 binding, that can n= ever in
<= span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif">>> > = the future be changed.=C2=A0 People will scream "backward compatibilit= y"
<= span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif">>> > = until the heat death of the universe.

>> People screaming "backward compatibility" for each and = every reason can
>&= gt; indeed be a problem.

Backward compatibility should indeed be an issue. If yo= u can't open a line and
continue editing at the end of the li= ne with one keystroke, as you have been=C2=A0
doing for the last = 30 years (and continue to do) and you are called a problem,=C2=A0
you may be more than just 'annoyed'.=C2=A0

A bit of respect, please
/PA
Fragen sind nicht da, um beantwortet = zu werden,
Fragen sind da= um gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

Hea= daches with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.work= er.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can= 9;t yet

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