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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:317578 gmane.emacs.orgmode:160899 Archived-At: --000000000000156c6f061574d299 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 5:42=E2=80=AFPM S=C5=82awomir Grochowski < slawomir.grochowski@gmail.com> wrote: > But first, we need to modify `help-quick' to be more reusable. > I tried to do it, but I'm not experienced in elisp. > I wanted to remove references to global variables, so I did a wrapper > function to pass arguments to `help-quick'. I understand it's not a lispy > way. > I would be grateful for your comment. > If you don't mind me asking: What are your high-level goals and immediate needs for changing help-quick? It looks like you may be trying to have multiple simultaneous quick-help buffers active at once? History with emacs suggests that that avenue tends to be confusing and cumbersome, and _generally_ not fruitful. (As one big concrete example, I spent years working with "computer help" at my university where Emacs was the default editor (in the 90s), and some form of "My window is cut in half; how do I get it all back?" was frequently the most common editor question.) Thanks, ~Chad --000000000000156c6f061574d299 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 5:42=E2=80=AFP= M S=C5=82awomir Grochowski <slawomir.grochowski@gmail.com> wrote:
But first, we need to modify `help-quick&= #39; to be more reusable.
I tried to do it, but I'm not experienced in elisp.
I wanted to remove references to global variables, so I did a wrapper
function to pass arguments to `help-quick'. I understand it's not a= lispy way.
I would be grateful for your comment.

I= f you don't mind me asking:

What are your high= -level goals and immediate needs for changing
help-quick? It looks= like you may be trying to have multiple
simultaneous quick-help buffers= active at once? History with
emacs suggests that that avenue tends to b= e confusing and
cumbersome, and _generally_ not fruitful. (As one big co= ncrete
example, I spent years working with "computer help" at = my
university where Emacs was the default editor (in the 90s), and
so= me form of "My window is cut in half; how do I get it all
back?&quo= t; was frequently the most common editor question.)

Thanks,
~Chad

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