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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309446 Archived-At: --0000000000005df4620603fe478c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" This is obviously an area where the shifting models of software in general and emacs in particular have changed over time (by a rough count, non-Gnu Elpa is roughly the 8th-10th "emacs lisp archive" I've personally used), and there are clear experiments in play right now. As a practical matter, how would people feel about a sort of autoload variation, included in emacs (30) core, that points users at relevant packages in [non-]GNU Elpa, which would be overridden by code included in an actual package? The idea is to combine a thin pointer with a potential indirection point that allow users (who had not already chosen) to choose between alternatives such as clojure-mode and clojure-ts-mode. Hope that helps, ~Chad --0000000000005df4620603fe478c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is obviously an area where the shifting models of sof= tware in general and emacs in particular have changed over time (by a rough= count, non-Gnu Elpa is roughly the 8th-10th "emacs lisp archive"= I've personally used), and there are clear experiments in play right n= ow. As a practical matter, how would people feel about a sort of autoload v= ariation, included in emacs (30) core, that points users at relevant packag= es in [non-]GNU Elpa, which would be overridden by code included in an actu= al package? The idea is to combine a thin pointer with a potential indirect= ion point that allow users (who had not already chosen) to choose between a= lternatives such as clojure-mode and clojure-ts-mode.

Ho= pe that helps,
~Chad

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