From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Josh Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Finding packages to enable by default Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:34:26 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcfc98a0e2db04ec5e4e6e X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385789707 7689 80.91.229.3 (30 Nov 2013 05:35:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 05:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 30 06:35:14 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VmdCy-0007aM-V3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 06:35:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50938 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmdCy-0007TT-CH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:35:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55729) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmdCq-0007LI-OA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:35:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmdCk-0000iA-Iu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:35:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-we0-f175.google.com ([74.125.82.175]:40796) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmdCk-0000hw-CN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:34:58 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f175.google.com with SMTP id p61so10146545wes.34 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:34:57 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=5toZOBgMC1GW3jaZOPyJvfTq5zPOahvQ+FQQz+pCsjg=; b=NwlhRftWNgdLN4YSRmybJBNVb9sPnye/9tsQUHDRQ+UvLFNwWYKD3zcJH/aqXhm4GJ 4ACBRR9G1SqB/bqsge8DP+5R05qB2V0PvibeGNDnTzi9C219MbkRZ+7nx55sMXhWAjZ+ RHxqB43doEQ/JQISf8Rkf0UDCVGMNdb1PoZX5cwzaR2QRREawe5QRvNX9FrB25GXGJGE xBu7e+zhoKi+vmr2p43aaciR2KfMXR/ABWY+gBKKg0MyQMwfYbPkFnJ/sIVuLlwjvEeA 1BEt+t5wgky5c0H59kS3KHiIoruNUn+B7UdNKk8umWMN8Jn3qqr4/E1x84rYQhF9DrCm D3CA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm7/LH1P5wrA9E2zzN4JLd2cCFm+lGxXGccJCu67YKwK4slE4tT9aTjEVQxWyUZnF8ltUWD X-Received: by 10.194.78.77 with SMTP id z13mr37046988wjw.27.1385789697082; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:34:57 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.24.7 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:34:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: bcRI9yZcUJQMFg7SKktr39ZHGoI X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 74.125.82.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165921 Archived-At: --047d7bfcfc98a0e2db04ec5e4e6e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Tom wrote: > We are only interested in packages which are shipped with emacs, > so we should query only those. On the contrary, those packages which are widely adopted by users despite not being shipped with Emacs are of the _greatest_ interest, by virtue of the fact that large numbers of users have decided that the functionality they provide is important enough to warrant making the effort to install them from ELPA or Marmalade or Github or wherever else. The popularity of third-party libraries such as dash.el ("a modern list library for Emacs")[0] and s.el ("the long lost Emacs string manipulation library")[1] demonstrates that many users find Emacs' support for such functionality inadequate and points out an obvious opportunity for improvement by addressing those weaknesses in Emacs proper. [0] https://github.com/magnars/dash.el [1] https://github.com/magnars/s.el Josh --047d7bfcfc98a0e2db04ec5e4e6e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Tom <= ;adatgyujto@gmail= .com> wrote:
We are only interested in packages which are shipped with emacs,
so we should query only those.=A0

On = the contrary, those packages which are widely adopted by users
de= spite not being shipped with Emacs are of the _greatest_ interest,
by virtue of the fact that large numbers of users have decided that
the functionality they provide is important enough to warrant makin= g
the effort to install them from ELPA or Marmalade or Github or<= /div>
wherever else. =A0The popularity of third-party libraries such as
dash.el ("a modern list library for Emacs")[0] and s.el (&q= uot;the long
lost Emacs string manipulation library")[1] dem= onstrates that many
users find Emacs' support for such functionality inadequate and
points out an obvious opportunity for improvement by addressing
those weaknesses in Emacs proper.


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