From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Josh Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17362: 24.4.50; inconsistent key notation: `ESC' vs `' Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:55:30 -0700 Message-ID: References: <47b1a857-a5d6-4e5a-b8f6-f96f9e201c89@default> <83fvkwmagn.fsf@gnu.org> <4294927c-08b3-4c65-83e4-1582e8d0d859@default> <838uqom7lm.fsf@gnu.org> <8361lsm3b6.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398808643 9458 80.91.229.3 (29 Apr 2014 21:57:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 21:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 17362@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 29 23:57:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WfG1b-0003dQ-UK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.170.117.65 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:55:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8361lsm3b6.fsf@gnu.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8NR0hRLuwUTMD-vfQ8yQb63bi8k X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:88463 Archived-At: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:27:03 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Drew Adams > > Cc: dmoncayo@gmail.com, 17362-done@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > > Eli, are you saying that you have replaced , , etc. > > > > everywhere with , , etc., or that you think it is > > > > appropriate to do so? > > > > > > Only for BACKSPACE (and, of course, only in the manual). It's still > > > "Delete" (because that's the label on the key). ESC and TAB and SPC > > > and RET were always in caps, so they stay in caps. > > > > is not how Emacs refers to the key in help. And neither is > > . Emacs help calls these and , AFAICT. > > I'm not talking about help, I'm only talking about the manual. The > bug report was about inconsistencies in the manual. At least that's > how I perceived it, and that's the only issue I set out to fix. Sorry to be mentioning this after you committed your changes, but I wanted to comment about the impact of these changes on new users. Difficulty specifying key bindings correctly is fairly common among newer users, and I think that this difficulty is worsened by occurrences in the documentation of non-canonical (with respect to kbd arguments) key notation. There's an EmacsWiki page[0] about key binding notation that reads in part, "Use C-h k to find out how Emacs describes the key sequence, and copy & paste that into your kbd string." It would be good if the info manual used the same notation. http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki?KeyBindingNotation Josh