From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Skip Montanaro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Requiring elisp that comes with Emacs Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 14:40:55 -0600 Message-ID: References: <874m0gv6ba.fsf@gmail.com> <87k29bl4v0.fsf@gmail.com> <87fujzknh5.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1485895312 31929 195.159.176.226 (31 Jan 2017 20:41:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Narendra Joshi Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 31 21:41:48 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cYfFM-0008Cw-5i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 21:41:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41105 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYfFR-0007QL-Fj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:41:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59203) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYfEY-0007Nd-O6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:40:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYfEX-0001Ec-Le for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:40:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d]:36910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYfEX-0001EU-F3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:40:57 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wm0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id v77so6114204wmv.0 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:40:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=YZ537+NgOg/cID7LZ7NGv2LhPAL4X0zJnHIEc6yhILI=; b=gXjZjvcvgEyfo8n9n81htGWbXfLdE42X3Ct6eojYFZt/V8jUVNxhV6lvg/p3/kqi+T eNNzc6pvvPhPHTFSySnoCRTig1HT3cVJhpNfs8FPhwyqr2NrsiPPTDpyHrHDaGmUmZfF JeFFk7cVJyZY3SKiukkyf71UDSTBuqsfhcZMx0beAyD6gatDdLSEnhZT4byPc6xdy2Gp 7UZG6qooztL1W0P5IL3lQwjKypDFu9oZgW5qNDJOHQpSwYvL7g4RkVsazno23NWERNW+ bZ50JDF2icRsm4xvBdiH7zdTEEHMH005935wdkU7i3+rlrc+Nu5NGKejT2kLUyhub2Qe xGbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YZ537+NgOg/cID7LZ7NGv2LhPAL4X0zJnHIEc6yhILI=; b=IKhZyFoWfMZckYjTSaIywzpKB4FiJgHiuUovF1LYiHU1xlSniOe0ScnVu0JmBYn2ap zsFPfU7x0JakELiXnj39DCVAOZhRN3YEUtLkptfMpE91TQYSXl7l0PMOMmCzgDtNyoh0 zrjbgbPWFTijPX3aip1i0Go69lhtACR/8ZKoGG3oD25ilLzDO0ksYRQslKxqYRfgBb5L dVC52jvkzCTcpoIV9Z+pvlhG3nGKu5arrYZAdOfhWQ/yY8eLPAptH1HEbCsoM4PXTrh4 /NIXihNG/DPzQIJwwR2UIVwO8WpAP4bDmZ9LpIFVS9SLvWt31EhiEpJx4byzGmD0RXYM cOLg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXI9L8kApB0zetdPTP9vneo7mubvZtyFjmA4PZricEORSPYOyyV/DXeGLmrkAX0l6g/b4xUrebvALdtCgw== X-Received: by 10.28.232.196 with SMTP id f65mr14157191wmi.19.1485895255667; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:40:55 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.28.224.86 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:40:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87fujzknh5.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:112220 Archived-At: > Why would you let someone else manage it for you? This is not really an Emacs question. It is more of a quality of life question. Still, since you asked... I let someone else manage my Emacs installations for the same reasons that: - I no longer rebuild my Linux kernel daily (as I used to 20 or more years ago) - I rely on a third party to maintain a complex Python environment (despite having been one of the core Python developers in dim, dark the past) - Let the mechanic do tune-ups on my car There is value in stability and knowing when others are better at a particular task than I am (or at least good enough that I can delegate to them). I can't be an expert in everything. Sometimes, even if I know I can do the job myself, it's worth it to let someone else do it, because time - as they say - is money. If I'm fiddling with my Emacs installation or changing the oil in my car, that's time when I could have been doing something else of more personal value to me, like working on paying work, riding my bike, or having dinner with my wife. I have more important things to do with my time than fiddle with a complex tool chain on a continuous (or even occasional) basis. S On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Narendra Joshi wrote: > Skip Montanaro writes: > > > (require) a fewpackages in my .emacs file: mouse, > > auto-complete-config, and lua-mode. I didn't install any of them > > (someone else manages my local Emacs installation), so they may not > > That's interesting. Why would you let someone else manage it for you? > > - Narendra >