From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Skip Montanaro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: A survey for Emacs users Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 09:30:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87a6w23omr.fsf@iki.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10961"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Help GNU Emacs To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 31 15:31:47 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kYrv1-0002ka-1z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 15:31:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43968 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYrv0-0001gy-44 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:31:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57890) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYruE-0001f4-1b for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:30:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b]:33632) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYruB-0001uy-QR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:30:57 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com with SMTP id f6so7737413ybr.0 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 07:30:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=VNYmJXb57dGtyV42RxhXDcT4+7u6mU0tb24sZubSD4I=; b=cefmejqI3l7hStjHhGWaNlMm03B0HqUugh15OBnW45g7LtjrjeSKsN6/XlFD6W9ub5 NfgGPmzy51pSPQLANI4PRoSzihaDcIJJWTQtXSF3QTYqgGdCf9L7Zc7C28ZJEPqfBbIa bJfiVW1zwe8v8u9o3b0/i+wCgX7hOKa1azX6kX1cevgRGtgfAVBWhtf6yXB6VMRNxQf+ itXaUfdffFBwiIR4tiyJofcJ3TLsy0riInQXla7MXjshZNzHLT10rIAvkBO0KoJJeEMY K3eJ3vRjW1qcOTiAMdVWTj0+X+LU37JJ07btyAqHoLvrzvRFm8/bo/9WKD/mhlJXWnp3 tsnA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VNYmJXb57dGtyV42RxhXDcT4+7u6mU0tb24sZubSD4I=; b=bA5Z2TRCX9saJBu5/Uy3wGZsxHIPjDe9hJz8pewVuZymiwvd+x5p8FzPH/PabkKX/f 1Gpi/NW20vlisywY0lJ8wdyy8Ba231GQiIwzOIR/Q2BG9Kk1dhVHuyKWoCMpAqYsw9jY Fw7JX7rSuFaxn13S4Tpm9r9+xcSJtzG2PYoh0C8pj7jbcSmtJaS/G4UsUEZwGkyC6qsE ZbAlAA+nU08D4JvlSXW6auD5501Lpo6QXXic8vI78VudkT3cA+3kN/oQcfZCKvYlmiso Gh6mDEEkCmwWyEpYLSXpU6xMvfPHVYrfydHwIKgMfwQ7TEjyj7Qwm+yM17VCsMBrdq7I 95Qw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530gO2Xh5fU+QuDOdEsHYIwM8J+45W9oNieHUUq6lwdZgUnJBxD3 qG3J5aFLTEUN7hNY9ZFwrigKULc1eHOEbZG8tUFF65w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyy3fPonkZivKHg++NNTt/hE9DpmB4P8CRVMCfhk/TfyQzg8ECb+JPnWro5bj8MXOREp0/kZNAlnJia+Z4/slc= X-Received: by 2002:a25:2554:: with SMTP id l81mr9586101ybl.62.1604154654422; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 07:30:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b; envelope-from=skip.montanaro@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:124830 Archived-At: Thanks, Jean Louis. I've been using GNU Emacs since probably the mid to late 80s. I'm familiar with the couple mailing lists and the old comp.emacs* newsgroups. r/emacs was completely new to me, and I'm not a big fan of forums unless they are the only choice (they tend to be closed gardens, for example). A couple specific points: > Is the list discoverable? I do not think so. It is well hidden from > Emacs users. This list? It's right there on the listinfo page of lists.gnu.org. Unfortunately, its name separates it from the other Emacs-related mailing lists. Seems a bit late for a name change at this point, however. > Install the package Hyperbole and you may see how they implement that > users find the mailing list, it is straight in the menu. If user needs > help, one can click in the menu and write email. Great. And that is > for package users. I installed Hyperbole and poked around a bit, but it escapes me how "users find the mailing list." I see links to Hyperbole-related lists, but nothing which would point a user to other Emacs resources. I must be missing something. Skip