From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Skip Montanaro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: ESC key experience with new MacBook Pro? Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 13:56:54 -0600 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1481659133 432 195.159.176.226 (13 Dec 2016 19:58:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Jorge Morais Neto Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 13 20:58:49 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGtDs-00087e-Sm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 20:58:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40337 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGtDx-0003qk-6L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:58:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34282) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGtDS-0003qc-KG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:58:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGtDP-0007HX-IF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:58:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-f52.google.com ([209.85.218.52]:33111) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGtDP-0007EO-Cm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:58:19 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-oi0-f52.google.com with SMTP id w63so135092610oiw.0 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:57:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=36Gk+gjwTaAexeyOFH5aF7EETRCzcb9suIgyXaRaQb0=; b=EJByJhs8kUovEDu6cUuJVIGh3yoVmIIv/rNWfU9VZqPObGFatW4SYZe9hpVUTflJte RyjBKFzAlmfApkH8GHFJhM+kf/bR/nHtbwnFdgx+k3eyDLq8uRekQtF+ObuCH7qvylKT U0VT+TpHaky38DmC6JeFDP3HrWldrz9oGOORoVSy3opUjRdIfoy7xO4P71cyZWx+opFY dzlxZuKuwtmPDJFf7OYyDr5L2rijyf4xZhMBhKhpMqNyA0061yGY/ftjqNvksBKnfzKh 7aLX+WGOXBcnAt2gMyvVM1T2zy+3Lx8kroPiPM91N+RMg59Vda2KYkHYNovx+ZDOOXwY hUyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=36Gk+gjwTaAexeyOFH5aF7EETRCzcb9suIgyXaRaQb0=; b=WsJWZZ80eoS5eFofpUGpr6PtYgGvEVq2Xkn0zB6X38apoyhLHpF3AbW+hsYNqHE/Ey rFnz0nKYyUisLJx8sT3T+4KjkC4RIahtKtIOoIdleNTdqm72f33uxcSBAyxOjDk1R/iY VfLqLgNc9Hbn9ll/0Ayc0zuSdsGQoU5S4Ly1Yr1crowBexy0rmu9qUC2yz1nTdQH3sSG 9XuQKjUm6JySYe/xg3so7yBV9sHvB3sofhFep2OGDTyfjyr+YMFst8O2kRG3at0PYPqC YAGQV5wHvBXIQ1JEh22v02Mi7cTa3BrZQH4KSBXgF4ertu6HPkB6GU+wHpl/gpWvsx3E xNZw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC03g/AkHw4TmcCnlKFlPqcl3rq83J9HK2TVl5jQiNuF6GWM62N1b4ZdZ3UlTeGyxV78ZsNpciRHRzXFJ+A== X-Received: by 10.202.8.205 with SMTP id 196mr52548688oii.13.1481659015441; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:56:55 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.202.0.206 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:56:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.218.52 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:111941 Archived-At: Thanks, Jorge. I'm aware there is more than one way to get an ESC. I was specifically wondering if lack of a physical ESC key was problematic for people who were used to it. (I've been using one version of Emacs - gosmacs, XEmacs, GNU Emacs, microemacs, jove, jed, etc - or another since the early 80s. Old habits die hard.) Skip On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Jorge Morais Neto wrote: > On 12 December 2016 at 13:37, Skip Montanaro > wrote: > > This is only peripherally related to Emacs, but as I've been using > > Emacs since the dawn of time and for some reason never really learned > > to press the Alt key, my Emacs Alt key usage has always been dominated > > by use of the ESC key. I thought some of my fellow Emacs tribe members > > would have some input. > > I use a non-Apple notebook and it has an ESC key. However, I believe I > have a > very useful tip for you: "C-[". For Emacs that key is equivalent to ESC. > I > use it frequently, because it is often easier to type than ESC. For > example, > to repeat complex commands, C-x C-[ C-[ is easier to type than C-x ESC > ESC. In > fact, I often prefer "C-[ *" to "M-*". For example, I prefer C-[ C-i to > C-M-i. > > Regards. > > -- > =E2=80=A2 I am Brazilian. I hope my English is correct and I welcome cor= rections. > =E2=80=A2 Please adopt free formats like PDF, ODF, Org, LaTeX, Opus, WebM= and 7z. > =E2=80=A2 Free (as in free speech) software for Android: https://f-droid.= org/ >