From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:21:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <877gact76s.fsf@gnu.org> <34c8c13b-c5c6-4e5a-9248-b09d5d1936da@default> <87eh4hkq6c.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83y52dk82n.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01419e1e9ebf7904f051d14f X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390134116 26937 80.91.229.3 (19 Jan 2014 12:21:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 12:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , =?UTF-8?Q?Per_Starb=C3=A4ck?= , David Kastrup , Emacs-Devel devel To: "Richard M. Stallman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 19 13:22:03 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4rO5-0003kR-Tc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:22:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45913 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4rO5-0008I6-GD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 07:22:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34827) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4rO1-0008Hw-N8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 07:21:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4rO0-0006EY-MJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 07:21:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b]:61720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4rNs-0006Cg-EW; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 07:21:48 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id w61so6100945wes.16 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 04:21:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=1sqP5g/uMaeqh5qmqVf+ZnrIciGiHZe7f1WyXTolOv0=; b=T+YQKeyFY8ylOqEOowp5WwMxUspRTbI10ITrxyQikDOWUJmUr5G73FuzR4qwV7LYE6 5rfAietqEmDUsnPGMBH4lvXhgtRpSbHCsD/uJt2rmuMZo1A/ielbn/zDQuZ3dQXE8rQh 5LobfTMFHBEDNGa74/FpuulAEbRwRsjDnP/qGozQ7xKfAQWpnTZlFzy4NqkweBSidFHG 3ku3NK+uQjtmfNmQTFildXJNqm5fYM/R6lZTENjTcDIl0F7KhpjnIA/OFcsuqefB72M7 PmLfzyaILiYWfs9jLtwtzcI9uaaonbfKqZUTgx7sNRLY1mcj3Li70OEsqlsFx8EJyj2z whKA== X-Received: by 10.194.234.65 with SMTP id uc1mr9958595wjc.39.1390134106688; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 04:21:46 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.216.227 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 04:21:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168734 Archived-At: --089e01419e1e9ebf7904f051d14f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > We could make an incompatible "simple" interface for Emacs and make it > easy to learn. It could look just like gedit, perhaps. > > It might be better, overall, if gedit were implemented as such an > interface to Emacs. I am not sure it would have been less work, though. > Perhaps it does not matter if it would have been less work in the beginning. Perhaps the long term outcome matters more. > > However, if you change it that much, it won't give people an easy pathway > to using Emacs. Its commands would be all different. > > I see no reason the commands would be different. Not at the beginners level. --089e01419e1e9ebf7904f051d14f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On S= un, Jan 19, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:

We could make an= incompatible "simple" interface for Emacs and make it
easy to learn. =C2=A0It could look just like gedit, perhaps.

It might be better, overall, if gedit were implemented as such an
interface to Emacs. =C2=A0I am not sure it would have been less work, thoug= h.

Perhaps it does not matter if it wou= ld have been less work in the beginning. Perhaps the long term outcome matt= ers more.
=C2=A0

However, if you change it that much, it won't give people an easy pathw= ay
to using Emacs. =C2=A0Its commands would be all different.

I see no reason the commands would be different. Not at the beginn= ers level.=C2=A0

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