From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:56:09 +0200 Message-ID: References: <871umzrvfw.fsf@gmail.com> <87wr4rqg6g.fsf@gmail.com> <83d36j59gv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4uz58e3.fsf@sec.modprobe.de> <83aa1n57p4.fsf@gnu.org> <5D17181ED92C4552AE8D4404DD035CA0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1336384618 30625 80.91.229.3 (7 May 2012 09:56:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:56:58 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 07 11:56:57 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SRKgb-0000Qx-2S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 May 2012 11:56:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42249 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SRKga-00055W-GT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 May 2012 05:56:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42644) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SRKgT-00054w-Ke for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 May 2012 05:56:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SRKgN-0003ke-B2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 May 2012 05:56:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com ([209.85.217.169]:42286) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SRKgN-0003kG-18 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 May 2012 05:56:43 -0400 Original-Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so4044560lbj.0 for ; Mon, 07 May 2012 02:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YkZ1q/PH23XVoeGL6w0gmZGa3KY0n8yHDJQdNajKYR4=; b=zcUHKVi2EpF1ILZvP4yo84GZmadP2mEdZH75fdPXZuC9wRLhobQefEVZU9cVrqjM4o Ht4Z+TyVQ5LZdQ68cY2U1lAmelox/fYRb0zuf+9+R2B1X8xWWblrNJJ5twgzXaJ42Y3F pq/VY101QLi1Dicj1sKflaJ4QwM4x3rVD21R3hYklytnaB7Iups1hjIu0pGWFYtfw5XH uxbfAzMd61IZhNPwh8+BEV35c9vp5sTH8T704A/z9PZkWTZYXTlKjvZ7whhPn/8pWcbN kf9XaaJniqDYRT6+M7pJQczYNr4E5ycBeeLb9WSjCO9itcgqp9LEk4N7w80drO9ozVFc tqgA== Original-Received: by 10.112.23.200 with SMTP id o8mr6926109lbf.21.1336384600414; Mon, 07 May 2012 02:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.112.41.99 with HTTP; Mon, 7 May 2012 02:56:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.217.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150344 Archived-At: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Mon, 7 May 2012 01:20:00 +0200 Lennart Borgman wrote: > > LB> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Ted Zlatanov wrote= : >>> On Sun, 6 May 2012 16:18:03 +0200 Lennart Borgman wrote: >>> > LB> Which commonly used mail clients (outside of Emacs) does not support = html today? >>> >>> HTML and XML are a complex framework of standards and I'm willing to be= t >>> very few mail clients support them fully or need to. > > LB> How much? ;-) > > LB> I believe most mail clients uses HTML libraries that are available fo= r > LB> developers. (Free and non-free.) > > I don't think the full extent of the nightmarish HTML standards (there > are several) needs to be discussed, though you should look at them if > only for your amusement. =C2=A0It's just hard to support HTML fully in a = MUA > without turning it into a web browser. If you use the same HTML libraries as the web browser it is just as hard as in a web browser. > (Microsoft Outlook, for instance, has terrible HTML support for several > releases that are still commonly used. =C2=A0Many CSS attributes just don= 't > work in the preview pane. =C2=A0This is relevant because it's hard to fon= tify > code reliably in the Outlook preview pane without explictly stating the > font color and style for each span. =C2=A0This was my experience 4 years > ago.) IE did not follow standards very good at that time. > But as I said already, we're really talking about MIME attachments and > how the org-mode ad-hoc markup compares to them, not HTML. =C2=A0My comme= nt > was tangential. Ok.