From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:54:58 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87ppbqb6s1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9x2f9me.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87a92uf8ik.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8761dif6ib.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k31xkue1.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3bae8fe97d9b050a038f13 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418385322 23758 80.91.229.3 (12 Dec 2014 11:55:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , Emacs-Devel devel To: Phillip Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 12 12:55:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XzOoV-0005Kt-6M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:55:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56727 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzOoU-00086s-Ht for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:55:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59645) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzOoQ-00085C-5O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:55:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzOoM-0002WV-6S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:55:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]:46626) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzOoG-0002LR-K2; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:55:00 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id l15so2265915wiw.2; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 03:54:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pG8b3bHz1jkzfudKUD9pgGIg1Rwt/ge1F5r9qezxsYQ=; b=UrsBoqg7JXiot/BMqJpiT3grzKMWytRd4A4/jkekMfJXkLRY62a9z0fcYUYNIT6z2J z71uP7OJBxCirgOHA1AXs9O3U11s38xPlT1xWUBQUfoKJhekksyJCV0WZJCa7IFYHvRS HHXD4WIop/FiGHf0owN6TVbMfz6olRsckeaEzULak5UM/XDZV0PH9crQDMYifAnMn25e Nug6/gpmFOgjDtx3nJQNdoOI//0fzGEtbM+6n1u4rCXQSnLKjyO2aCGTyt3BS4Nm0MRg vfYb8EgaAkkXH81xXDEI6cBc43IO6aAv2tNOdafJ3t5e5/kckrFgC1EZ1VxOYWE6F0Rc 8F6w== X-Received: by 10.180.109.46 with SMTP id hp14mr7097219wib.54.1418385299172; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 03:54:59 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.93.228 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 03:54:58 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.93.228 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 03:54:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87k31xkue1.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179891 Archived-At: --e89a8f3bae8fe97d9b050a038f13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Dec 12, 2014 11:57 AM, "Phillip Lord" wrote: > > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> As for the index not disappearing: it's not accessible from arbitrary > >> nodes since it is not even loaded into the browser unless you load the > >> "one big page HTML" and then _all_ navigation becomes cumbersome, > >> including but not limited to the index. > > > > So that was the argument. OK. ;-) > > > > Yes, without a search engine you can't search the html pages. (Or, you > > could build an index in JavaScript, but that is a very tough job if > > you want to do something useful.) > > I don't think it is a tough job. If the index data is in the source > format, and can be dumped in XML, then the JavaScript (or the lisp with > which to pimp up EWW) is really very simple. > > Phil You may be right. It depends on what you want to do. Perhaps you have some code to clarify what you mean? --e89a8f3bae8fe97d9b050a038f13 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

On Dec 12, 2014 11:57 AM, "Phillip Lord" <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:
> >> As for the index not disappearing: it's not accessible from arbitrary
> >> nodes since it is not even loaded into the browser unless you load the
> >> "one big page HTML" and then _all_ navigation becomes cumbersome,
> >> including but not limited to the index.
> >
> > So that was the argument. OK. ;-)
> >
> > Yes, without a search engine you can't search the html pages. (Or, you
> > could build an index in JavaScript, but that is a very tough job if
> > you want to do something useful.)
>
> I don't think it is a tough job. If the index data is in the source
> format, and can be dumped in XML, then the JavaScript (or the lisp with
> which to pimp up EWW) is really very simple.
>
> Phil

You may be right. It depends on what you want to do. Perhaps you have some code to clarify what you mean?

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