From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The art of closing bug reports Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 04:03:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310263428 9776 80.91.229.12 (10 Jul 2011 02:03:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 02:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 10 04:03:44 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfjN0-0000LJ-PA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 04:03:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45746 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfjMz-0002UH-TS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:03:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60393) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfjMj-0002Tw-PG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:03:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfjMi-0006ZC-1F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:03:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ew0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:44093) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfjMh-0006Z6-HV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:03:23 -0400 Original-Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1124189ewy.0 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:03:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=gw7jlFNWeYjqNBNnEgTQadkBElUxpvs2ZBPgXz0NiFQ=; b=AM/DF6DoekubFUZCl0zi5wvAhg2T4JEwiJB/pdy3SlY6sJ5KuGpOjqEOOim31fEx17 jLt3bSvVZEg2oJY0cpHHG+IXEMjdHePTXAyyE0pbSnu9lX7s6V0C18zRf/93Lqjt3Xvs 2pvDl1GFt9qqkHl1gCBly9ml7/23ltonTbafw= Original-Received: by 10.213.107.15 with SMTP id z15mr1138208ebo.114.1310263402173; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.213.114.16 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:03:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.215.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:141878 Archived-At: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 03:31, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 02:56, Lennart Borgman > wrote: > >> I do not think that question is serious. That is my experience from >> before. Can you explain how saying these words will help the >> development of free software? > > I'll do, as soon as you explain to me how do help the development of > free software (or just Emacs) bugs that say "I have this crash, for > which I won't send a recipe because I'm a very busy guy, which perhaps > happens because of my local modifications (that, by the way, I have > sent you *hundred of times* and you refuse to include into Emacs just > to make my life more difficult) and perhaps not, because I don't > really remember, which happened so long ago that I don't even remember > what was I doing at the time or how to reproduce it... and please > don't ask me for clarification or help in reproduce it, because, as I > said, I'm a very busy guy, so please do all the work yourselves and, > by the way, what's not clear in my report?" > > If you think I'm being harsh or mocking you, you need to distance > yourself from your own bug reports and try to read them as they are, > not as they seem to be in your imagination. Not at all, Juanma. This is just exactly to the point.