From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why bring new features to Emacs and not Emacs to new applications? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 02:20:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8761rhv7kc.fsf@informatimago.com> <87pppptlpu.fsf@informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385342482 12925 80.91.229.3 (25 Nov 2013 01:21:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 25 02:21:27 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vkkre-0006kz-No for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 02:21:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49175 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vkkrd-0003Y3-V3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:21:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52513) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkkrZ-0003X6-K3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:21:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkkrX-00034T-Do for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:21:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]:60369) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkkrX-00034K-6T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:21:19 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hq4so3316165wib.8 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:21:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=Z4ceNMmmsTNmBiXmmQPOxQhFHS0vMLxYjgbNKj48TMA=; b=FzcndIideXqvu7t8uusenJWfT8zhhhKGaOHmEWMHUL4GqyS30Rm/BmCcs1SSpGDb4X h0a+FZEVxd1jIS8txAPZVxL94N2PyQGJ2VMqfT0hutjdl+D2nJ3+0oIhXqdpGboQIEpK OnmcZspSEwvLw7mVuLo9GJ3Y0VPqhwvftt5L4FFTQpVq1C1MoLqjQBKK8XfHtkHadFOO KJ1uFm0LNHFZzlEuko1OKWa74/qH9ph2N0yXBuLp/toR+vdvMVoyezVM4W/JmgkK6Dg6 yoCAdb+pKJmJn7PlX7wdxiVFUgUkK+HAt2WswsKwnbneaeymRwF2Q8BU9WN8H44VGK7h MBdw== X-Received: by 10.180.90.65 with SMTP id bu1mr11430077wib.15.1385342478414; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:21:18 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.216.227 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:20:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87pppptlpu.fsf@informatimago.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165672 Archived-At: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:37 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: > >>> - incompatible control structure. >>> >>> While most applications will have like emacs a main event loop, it is >>> not designed usually to go thru (dynamically modifiable) keymaps to >>> handle in a uniform way the events, but would rather rely on >>> frameworks, which may implement their own modal control loops. >> >> Isn't this an area where Emacs must change? > > On the contrary, this is the essence of what an emacs is. I think we are misunderstanding each other. There are all sort of events that must be handled. Isn't there loops inside the keyboard handling now? (Or, do I misremember?)