From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:38:00 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> <87vbxzy3m4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c37c107f508104ef2a2cf4 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388864331 22897 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2014 19:38:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 19:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 04 20:38:54 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzX3Y-0000zw-SN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:38:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55537 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzX3Y-0005uk-E0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:38:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46424) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzX3U-0005uU-Ct for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:38:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzX3T-00020p-HX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:38:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x22c.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c]:54544) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzX3S-00020Q-3o; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:38:42 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id p61so14743704wes.17 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 11:38:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=35gDpepzzpc7Xzh7SphvuEDObOE5Lxau3BnKGqApq6A=; b=bMMuwCIg6yl5c/SI+botKBjpce0GEqE7ZfRpoaL1F0Oeg47xhBMPMgISlD90058+qa dTvlBv7PiaplLHy/gVCqarqyvyhtL8Wz1+9m7LNnTfJn9CAG5wviTdqM8AXixAzsBoz2 cGbz2cErIqlqrcBCH+5GXQbLaOSG0Usd4DBFsNWnrn8LnsdD9UUdvKbvmCMBwh7xal4D f3ZA+E28FclNE8pP0csu0gvzGDyXNMOl3Ktyrq7pEuF2XnZsLQme8FOHbPNbqZ6CpSSo AFLRl9raKbRdfWGOFSpCcICNLIHQzyL4t3TlCWHMc4PYpEcDPwiDsxlMDvdcUnXfannc aPPQ== X-Received: by 10.180.206.11 with SMTP id lk11mr6516175wic.16.1388864321047; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 11:38:41 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.216.227 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 11:38:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87vbxzy3m4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167312 Archived-At: --001a11c37c107f508104ef2a2cf4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:00 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Tom writes: > > > Kill/yank comes to mind as obvious example. The copy/cut/paste > > terminology is pretty much standard, so the various kill/yank > > operations (kill-region, copy-region-as-kill, etc.) should > > be mapped to these terms. > > The problem I see with that is that the terms are mnemonics for the > keybindings: the kill bindings contain "k", the yank bindings "y". > > And (as you probably remember) the problem with that as I see it is the key bindings. Users expect CUA. ;-) --001a11c37c107f508104ef2a2cf4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On S= at, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:00 PM, David Kastrup <d= ak@gnu.org> wrote:
Tom = <adatgyujto@gmail.com> writes:

> Kill/yank comes to mind as obvious example. The copy/cut/paste
> terminology is pretty much standard, so the various kill/yank
> operations (kill-region, copy-region-as-kill, etc.) should
> be mapped to these terms.

The problem I see with that is that the terms are mnemonics for= the
keybindings: the kill bindings contain "k", the yank bindings &qu= ot;y".

And (as you probably remember) the pro= blem with that as I see it is the key bindings. Users expect CUA. ;-)

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