From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CUA mode??? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167425 Archived-At: --047d7bb04c44bbb87c04ef43437d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Xue Fuqiao wrote: > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Lennart Borgman > wrote: > >> Also, didn't cua-mode already `fix' this: > >> > >> > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/CUA-Bindings.html > >> > >> Though that brings me to something that's been bugging me since someone > >> first told me (last year) that cua-mode had actually gone into emacs: > >> my recollection from the early 1990s was that the CUA keystrokes for > >> cut, copy, and paste were *not* C-x, C-c, and C-v; but rather > >> S-delete, C-insert, and S-insert (respectively). These were the > >> keystrokes that I remember using in Windows at the time, and > >> what I've also been using in Emacs and other applications in X11 > >> since about that time, and even what I used in applications on > >> Mac OS X when I needed to use it just a couple of years ago. > >> > >> Wikipedia seems to agree with my memory rather than what's in the Emacs > >> manual: > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_User_Access > >> > >> Did the CUA spec actually change to use C-x, C-c, C-v at some point, or > >> is Emacs cua-mode mistaken about which standard it's implementing? > > > > Ah, so you mean that cua-mode was also badly named in Emacs in should be > > renamed? ;-) > > Eli said that there's more than one interpretation of CUA: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2013-04/msg00499.html > > -- > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ > Yes, but here is the important point from that page: "The subset of CUA implemented in Microsoft Windows or OSF/Motif is generally considered a de facto standard to be followed by any new Unix GUI environment." Using the Alt+underlined letter to open a menu is still a problem in Emacs. (I have, or had, a patch for that, but it was never accepted.) --047d7bb04c44bbb87c04ef43437d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On M= on, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7= :38 AM, Lennart Borgman
<lennart.borgman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Also, didn't cua-mode already `fix' this:
>>
>> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ma= nual/html_node/emacs/CUA-Bindings.html
>>
>> Though that brings me to something that's been bugging me sinc= e someone
>> first told me (last year) that cua-mode had actually gone into ema= cs:
>> my recollection from the early 1990s was that the CUA keystrokes f= or
>> cut, copy, and paste were *not* C-x, C-c, and C-v; but rather
>> S-delete, C-insert, and S-insert (respectively). These were the >> keystrokes that I remember using in Windows at the time, and
>> what I've also been using in Emacs and other applications in X= 11
>> since about that time, and even what I used in applications on
>> Mac OS X when I needed to use it just a couple of years ago.
>>
>> Wikipedia seems to agree with my memory rather than what's in = the Emacs
>> manual:
>>
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_User_Access=
>>
>> Did the CUA spec actually change to use C-x, C-c, C-v at some poin= t, or
>> is Emacs cua-mode mistaken about which standard it's implement= ing?
>
> Ah, so you mean that cua-mode was also badly named in Emacs in should = be
> renamed? ;-)

Eli said that there's more than one interpretation of CUA:<= br> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/= 2013-04/msg00499.html

--
http://www= .gnu.org/software/emacs/

Yes, but here is the important point f= rom that page:

"The subset of CUA implemented= in=C2=A0Microsoft Windows=C2=A0or=C2=A0OSF/Motif=C2=A0is generally considered a de facto standard to be= followed by any new Unix GUI environment."

Using the Alt+underlined letter to open a menu is still a proble= m in Emacs. (I have, or had, a patch for that, but it was never accepted.)<= /div>
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