From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:55:49 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <8761rrtc3w.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb03e78b8f3d804eb5fcba4 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1384696582 25127 80.91.229.3 (17 Nov 2013 13:56:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Daniel Colascione , "Richard M. Stallman" , Emacs-Devel devel To: Nic Ferrier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 17 14:56:27 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vi2pu-0004A0-Is for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:56:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39088 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vi2pu-0000Vh-4z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:56:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42175) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vi2pr-0000VR-GE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:56:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vi2pq-0008A9-By for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:56:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]:65180) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vi2po-00089o-Lm; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:56:20 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id hn6so2776912wib.16 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 05:56:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=UCp9SSj158Wnd+ihGlpjEbQ7bu1rdN1DkbGFP/Hnit4=; b=BzJLjiXxtsnv+SC6wa7Pf3lt7/q3jgARgdK5Ryt+LxYDkivUb1jhD2XlYS2LEfrRL0 UaVW6q6+IPs03Mz38BipaCNAFovZ5e9UuZVmw5Sf58p00zP052XBRS6Fnc+i08/38QPu s04vw4kUB2faRXeUmcjWtK3EgbZ6P8m1fbgt7qnKE1GwXDDgXhXVk/b9n/vgdv0P8Swa /zGzbQ2Iunhqv30lopmDMIN4mIB2P6p2AUWUkyYkHlDIil3Y8uJlw9NXHIwF3OR5E97A F/Oi/2aHHl3IatVGwH0O/9is42gQ5+T26jmCgX9B+JJ/CTZDqeVv1XVb4jdvfg4Lxc+L dxRg== X-Received: by 10.194.93.105 with SMTP id ct9mr13413433wjb.6.1384696579157; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 05:56:19 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.216.227 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 05:55:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8761rrtc3w.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165296 Archived-At: --047d7bb03e78b8f3d804eb5fcba4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Nic Ferrier wrote: > Daniel Colascione writes: > > >> Could people please start working on the features that are needed? > > > > I don't think that would be a productive use limited resources. Emacs' > > feature set is either already at a place suitable for "word processing" > > or astronomically distant depending on how you think about the problem: > > Emacs already works _very_ well for document preparation using auctex, > > nxml-mode, and so on. LibreOffice already covers the more conventional > > WYSIWYG space and is free software. > > I agree with this. I don't know anyone who makes documents that I > respect who thinks that WYSIWYG features are a good thing. > > That must be a misunderstanding. Of course WYSIWYS is a good feature for many people. It is just that document structure must be uncoupled from layout. And LibreOffice etc has focused on this. --047d7bb03e78b8f3d804eb5fcba4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On S= un, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Nic Ferrier <nferrier@ferrier.me.uk> wrote:
Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org> writes= :

>> Could people please start working on the features that are needed?=
>
> I don't think that would be a productive use limited resources. Em= acs'
> feature set is either already at a place suitable for "word proce= ssing"
> or astronomically distant depending on how you think about the problem= :
> Emacs already works _very_ well for document preparation using auctex,=
> nxml-mode, and so on. LibreOffice already covers the more conventional=
> WYSIWYG space and is free software.

I agree with this. I don't know anyone who makes documents that I
respect who thinks that WYSIWYG features are a good thing.

That must be a misunderstanding. Of course WYSIWYS is a good featu= re for many people. It is just that document structure must be uncoupled fr= om layout.

And LibreOffice etc has focused on this.=C2=A0
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