From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:21:05 +0200 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <837ge8jalb.fsf@gnu.org> <83txhbiyts.fsf@gnu.org> <83siwviwao.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c80eab2231b04e721da26 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380032511 28481 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2013 14:21:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alp Aker , Emacs-Devel devel , Jay Belanger , Brief Busters , Pascal Bourguignon , Eli Zaretskii To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 24 16:21:54 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOTUt-0001hb-RI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:21:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46343 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOTUt-0005J8-93 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:21:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37083) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOTUm-0005H6-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:21:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOTUg-0002tS-Vi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:21:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]:48397) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOTUe-0002sy-Q1; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:21:37 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hn9so3947303wib.17 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 07:21:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=7kk4zg6tPz8IYKvrvvbdXcgHjddcw9ePqmmcsfUjgN8=; b=yvIYcd0EdAjuPnWnsVxEcg3bzxO6BGK7cGki0NMQsH30B9ctFIVKsy1f5BSyCfvEJv GXryK6LtY3O+fkI1UNSZ2hGuLplsT56JH3Q1iHMi5RHcxFArQjFDvmtsKB9CGcdHhz6h tsUs31v8/P6lrBLFAFt3/FuO6jQqqlBBE1eZU26J3NnqtmOnwaJCPagig4AVk0VLCIO6 +vzx9sZpZGT/Izui9OCrpTeiN1KdcyJmadHhqiPvK6RINGckqesvjbiE5+6jnt/e+aZw R7a9IIfDdGtQ/cNPHl7fMxylEPClo9uRrrbWHIJMojocX+mFOEEjv9u/aT/LcfqsCudz vY1g== X-Received: by 10.180.90.19 with SMTP id bs19mr18209799wib.15.1380032495884; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 07:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.240.41 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 07:21:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163607 Archived-At: --f46d043c80eab2231b04e721da26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Jan Dj=C3=A4rv wrote: > Hello. > > 24 sep 2013 kl. 14:35 skrev Lennart Borgman : > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Alp Aker wrote= : > >> >> That would be so wrong for new users on OSX. >> >> > Please educate me, Jan. Does not OSX use some variant CUA by default? >> >> It uses a different modifier. >> > > Thanks, I see. Did you have something else in mind, Jan? Is there any > obstacle having cua-mode on by default on OSX > > > No, I did not have anything else in mind. The OSX equivalents to C-c, > C-v, C-x. C-z (i.e. Cmd-C, Cmd-v, Cmd-x, Cmd-z) and more already work as > they do in other OSX applications in Emacs. Turning on CUA mode per > default is just wrong on OSX, nobody uses those keybindings for copy/past= e > et.al. > > Jan D. > > I see. I had no idea of that. What do people use for copy/paste etc in other applications on OSX? Is there another standard? --f46d043c80eab2231b04e721da26 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Jan Dj=C3=A4rv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrot= e:
Hello.

24 s= ep 2013 kl. 14:35 skrev Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>:

On Mo= n, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Alp Aker <alptekin.aker@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That would be so wrong for new users on OSX.

> Please educate me, Jan. Does not OSX use some variant CU= A by default?

It uses a different modifier.

Thanks, I see. Did you have someth= ing else in mind, Jan? Is there any obstacle having cua-mode on by default = on OSX

No, I did not have anything e= lse in mind. =C2=A0The OSX equivalents to C-c, C-v, C-x. C-z (i.e. Cmd-C, C= md-v, Cmd-x, Cmd-z) and more already work as they do in other OSX applicati= ons in Emacs. =C2=A0Turning on CUA mode per default is just wrong on OSX, n= obody uses those keybindings for copy/paste et.al.

Jan D.


I see. I had no idea of that. What do people use for copy/paste etc in = other applications on OSX? Is there another standard?
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