From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New build process? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:31:26 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20110726184220.GA6390@acm.acm> <87bowg6fre.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <4E2F2084.7070001@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1311773526 1961 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2011 13:32:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: david.reitter@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , dan.colascione@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 27 15:32:01 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm4DP-0006Fy-Ow for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:31:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57097 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm4DO-0003kV-W4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:31:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:36027) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm4DL-0003bf-8S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:31:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm4DK-0004Za-3N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:31:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ew0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:40682) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm4DD-0004Wa-Jw; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:31:47 -0400 Original-Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1553533ewy.0 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:31:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NYoRuNif3lmBRjmidjrBiZ7qcja0AZCBXRbgxFtmOSg=; b=LZQHkuloUBGH3av6iTSP3yI1lkWcfiMBac+QdcI5y0Zdzl81bFTL+GZFqn73mhk1EB 8817Gb1tuFv1Qn0MkSdG8wV2h7q6edMpxp5zvvFZHcy8zO9dGm4Rv2Wq845KJefuGrCx Di/v89k4E3YrxfNOi6ejUR3WF6F2TMuPx/SdQ= Original-Received: by 10.213.8.205 with SMTP id i13mr16270ebi.87.1311773506235; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.213.20.81 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:31:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.215.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142389 Archived-At: On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 15:11, Tim Cross wrote: >> >> I'm actually with Richard on this one. =C2=A0I think the need to install= , >> update, and use any additional commands before "./configure; make" is >> a nuisance whose justification is questionable at best. =C2=A0It's just >> that I gave up on talking people into catering to us dinosaurs whose >> paradise was lost, and Richard is still trying, because he's a better >> man than I am. >> > > If you believe you can do it and make it solid (which I expect you > can), then go for it. I personally don't think it is necessary as we > are talking about users who are choosing to interact at a low > development level, which IMO is a moving target subject to change and > instability. We should not set the bar too high here - put our efforts > into improving emacs and not into improving the build process for > those who chose to interact at this level. > > Yes, I guess I would be considered a dinosaur and possibly not even a Dear dinosaur, can't you believe making the build process simple saves a lot of time for many developers? And then it is possible for them to improve Emacs even more. (Everything that makes Emacs more stable may save a lot of time.)