From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:43:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87ppbqb6s1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9x2f9me.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87a92uf8ik.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418316647 26396 80.91.229.3 (11 Dec 2014 16:50:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 11 17:50:40 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz6wo-0002Oj-5S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:50:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52450 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz6wn-0005h2-RI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:50:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43882) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz6qm-0001u3-UZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:44:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz6qm-00029h-3x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:44:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]:34885) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz6qk-00028W-Dp; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:44:22 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id bs8so15203031wib.4 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:44:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=8D7/42RVUyyv9toRw/NxJUph1tqwPU+Dw5vIToNPWQg=; b=isrzJ7PXgJmG6CQ2QZIc2GAj8fWq8pTYqHNA7p/VOZ+xPWm4/ZRt051yRIpdEZkZMm hY+gObN//zu+jUwvsDqZLz/WONvmV/5g8wJtaihN1bniIGSCsvHEdVlWUq6LFJpksZog sO1dfexHkVie+fXvuTYS2KTRyJhwJa3DbdWOLT0zGN9FBX/JEZyc1YizDWK47Xf3RY4+ hZm0UWbKbA7zYhPs99oNW0y0T+LKOaxrQD74R9wwub1u84s6beS6TZQAKQXqHR5jLGfU gVQa7QycpwEcFBemHUlouS44P6pJcUqOXrAHWC5hvfhWedirtdDthVBBVlEupkAJ8vMd GkVA== X-Received: by 10.180.78.73 with SMTP id z9mr24252236wiw.52.1418316261760; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:44:21 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.93.228 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:43:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87a92uf8ik.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179794 Archived-At: On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 5:36 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> My point is maybe a bit unclear. It matters a lot what search engine >> you have and how you feed it with information. In the small project I >> linked to I have had rather minimal success with Google CSE. So I >> switched to OpenSearchServer and there I can do a lot of things I just >> could imagine before. (This is just a small free time project, but >> still a bit important, perhaps.) > > I don't buy that. It will have its best case scenario for stuff not > actually written/maintained in Texinfo (or something providing similar > information amounts) and consequently completely missing any useful > index. With that starting point, a search engine is better than > nothing. Against a reasonably well-maintained manual index, however: no > comparison. I don't understand your argument. What has the well-maintained manual index to do with the format the user sees? The index just does not disappear if you are using a web browser. Or, does it? ;-)