org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Matt Price]

I'm trying to write my lectures entirely in org.  I would like to just
write them once, using the main org file for my notes, and an exported
deck.js presentation for slides.  However, I would like to include
quite a number of notes to myself for each slide.

One way to do this is to make a drawer.  Unfortunately, from what I
can tell, within a drawer it is not posible to use org structures like
lists.  This is too bad, as I have come to rely on such structures in
my notes!  Is there a way to either:

- have org elements ike lists in a drawer?
or- mark certain elements (like a list or subheading) as not-for-export?
Thanks as always!

Matt

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Thorsten Jolitz]

Matt Price <moptop99@gmail.com> writes:

> or- mark certain elements (like a list or subheading) as not-for-export?

Maybe using the :noexport: tag on a heading?

-- 
cheers,
Thorsten

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Matt Price <moptop99@gmail.com> writes:

> One way to do this is to make a drawer.  Unfortunately, from what I
> can tell, within a drawer it is not posible to use org structures like
> lists.

Drawers can contain any structure but drawers and headlines.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Matt Price]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Matt Price <moptop99@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> One way to do this is to make a drawer.  Unfortunately, from what I
>> can tell, within a drawer it is not posible to use org structures like
>> lists.
>
> Drawers can contain any structure but drawers and headlines.

inside a drawer, when I try to make a lit, org-meta-return doesn't
seem to create a new ist item, but instead just indents the next line
without also inserting a "- ".  Is this a bug? THanks,

Matt

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Matt Price]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> wrote:
> Matt Price <moptop99@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> or- mark certain elements (like a list or subheading) as not-for-export?
>
> Maybe using the :noexport: tag on a heading?

yes, that works!  thank you! sorry I missed it in the manual.
Matt

>
> --
> cheers,
> Thorsten
>
>

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Matt Price <moptop99@gmail.com> writes:

> inside a drawer, when I try to make a lit, org-meta-return doesn't
> seem to create a new ist item, but instead just indents the next line
> without also inserting a "- ".  Is this a bug? THanks,

I think it is a bug, indeed.

There's this condition in `org-meta-return', but I'm not sure why it is
here. Probably historical reasons.

  (cond
   ...
   ((or (org-at-drawer-p) (org-in-drawer-p) (org-at-property-p))
    (newline-and-indent))
   ...)


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Carsten Dominik]

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On 12.9.2013, at 19:49, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote:

> Matt Price <moptop99@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> inside a drawer, when I try to make a lit, org-meta-return doesn't
>> seem to create a new ist item, but instead just indents the next line
>> without also inserting a "- ".  Is this a bug? THanks,
> 
> I think it is a bug, indeed.
> 
> There's this condition in `org-meta-return', but I'm not sure why it is
> here. Probably historical reasons.

Well, it is to avoid that a new headline would be made inside a drawer,
because it would violate Org syntax.  But of course, it would be OK to
insert an item.  What would be a good solution?  Maybe we better catch
this problem in org-insert-heading?  Or maybe not at all?  We also do
not catch it in src block, for example.  So I am fine with removing
this condition in org-meta-return.

- Carsten

> 
>  (cond
>   ...
>   ((or (org-at-drawer-p) (org-in-drawer-p) (org-at-property-p))
>    (newline-and-indent))
>   ...)
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Nicolas Goaziou
> 


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Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Michael Brand]

Hi Carsten

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Carsten Dominik
<carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, it is to avoid that a new headline would be made inside a drawer,
> because it would violate Org syntax.  But of course, it would be OK to
> insert an item.  What would be a good solution?  Maybe we better catch
> this problem in org-insert-heading?  Or maybe not at all?  We also do
> not catch it in src block, for example.  So I am fine with removing
> this condition in org-meta-return.

What is the plan with my patches here?:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/75367/focus=76221

Michael

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Carsten Dominik]

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On 12.9.2013, at 21:18, Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Carsten
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Carsten Dominik
> <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, it is to avoid that a new headline would be made inside a drawer,
>> because it would violate Org syntax.  But of course, it would be OK to
>> insert an item.  What would be a good solution?  Maybe we better catch
>> this problem in org-insert-heading?  Or maybe not at all?  We also do
>> not catch it in src block, for example.  So I am fine with removing
>> this condition in org-meta-return.
> 
> What is the plan with my patches here?:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/75367/focus=76221

Thank you for the reminder.  I will take a look - these are in my
action queue, but I had not gotten to them yet.

- Carsten


> 
> Michael


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Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> Well, it is to avoid that a new headline would be made inside a drawer,
> because it would violate Org syntax.  But of course, it would be OK to
> insert an item.  What would be a good solution?  Maybe we better catch
> this problem in org-insert-heading?  Or maybe not at all?  We also do
> not catch it in src block, for example.  So I am fine with removing
> this condition in org-meta-return.

I suggest to be very permissive and allow a user to shoot himself in the
foot.  The following function implements the same behaviour as before,
without the drawer check, but with Elements.

  (defun org-meta-return (&optional arg)
    "Insert a new heading or wrap a region in a table.
  Calls `org-insert-heading' or `org-table-wrap-region', depending
  on context. See the individual commands for more information."
    (interactive "P")
    (org-check-before-invisible-edit 'insert)
    (or (run-hook-with-args-until-success 'org-metareturn-hook)
        (let* ((element (org-element-at-point))
               (type (org-element-type element)))
          (when (eq type 'table-row)
            (setq element (org-element-property :parent element)))
          (if (and (eq type 'table)
                   (eq (org-element-property :type element) 'org)
                   (>= (point) (org-element-property :contents-begin element))
                   (< (point) (org-element-property :contents-end element)))
              (call-interactively 'org-table-wrap-region)
            (call-interactively 'org-insert-heading)))))



Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Correcting myself,

Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes:

>   (defun org-meta-return (&optional arg)
>     "Insert a new heading or wrap a region in a table.
>   Calls `org-insert-heading' or `org-table-wrap-region', depending
>   on context. See the individual commands for more information."
>     (interactive "P")
>     (org-check-before-invisible-edit 'insert)
>     (or (run-hook-with-args-until-success 'org-metareturn-hook)
>         (let* ((element (org-element-at-point))
>                (type (org-element-type element)))
>           (when (eq type 'table-row)
>             (setq element (org-element-property :parent element)))

Oops. I forgot a (setq type 'table) within the `when'.

>           (if (and (eq type 'table)
>                    (eq (org-element-property :type element) 'org)
>                    (>= (point) (org-element-property :contents-begin element))
>                    (< (point) (org-element-property :contents-end element)))
>               (call-interactively 'org-table-wrap-region)
>             (call-interactively 'org-insert-heading)))))

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Carsten Dominik]

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Hi Nicolas, this looks good to me, please apply it.

Thanks

- Carsten

On 12.9.2013, at 21:41, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Well, it is to avoid that a new headline would be made inside a drawer,
>> because it would violate Org syntax.  But of course, it would be OK to
>> insert an item.  What would be a good solution?  Maybe we better catch
>> this problem in org-insert-heading?  Or maybe not at all?  We also do
>> not catch it in src block, for example.  So I am fine with removing
>> this condition in org-meta-return.
> 
> I suggest to be very permissive and allow a user to shoot himself in the
> foot.  The following function implements the same behaviour as before,
> without the drawer check, but with Elements.
> 
>  (defun org-meta-return (&optional arg)
>    "Insert a new heading or wrap a region in a table.
>  Calls `org-insert-heading' or `org-table-wrap-region', depending
>  on context. See the individual commands for more information."
>    (interactive "P")
>    (org-check-before-invisible-edit 'insert)
>    (or (run-hook-with-args-until-success 'org-metareturn-hook)
>        (let* ((element (org-element-at-point))
>               (type (org-element-type element)))
>          (when (eq type 'table-row)
>            (setq element (org-element-property :parent element)))
>          (if (and (eq type 'table)
>                   (eq (org-element-property :type element) 'org)
>                   (>= (point) (org-element-property :contents-begin element))
>                   (< (point) (org-element-property :contents-end element)))
>              (call-interactively 'org-table-wrap-region)
>            (call-interactively 'org-insert-heading)))))
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Nicolas Goaziou


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Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com> writes:

> What is the plan with my patches here?:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/75367/focus=76221

I think the approach taken is wrong. But we should definitely keep the
tests.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Nicolas, this looks good to me, please apply it.

Done (in master).


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Carsten Dominik]

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On 12.9.2013, at 22:35, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Hi Nicolas, this looks good to me, please apply it.
> 
> Done (in master).

Thank you!

- Carsten

> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Nicolas Goaziou


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Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Michael Brand]

Hi Nicolas

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote:
> Done (in master).

Thank you for this improvement. AFAIU org-in-drawer-p was introduced
only for org-meta-return and can now be removed.

Michael

Re: org structuresin a drawer? (or some other presentation soution)

[Matt Price]

Thanks Nicolas!  Works great.
Matt

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote:
> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hi Nicolas, this looks good to me, please apply it.
>
> Done (in master).
>
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Nicolas Goaziou