From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Let's make Emacs mainstream (through org-mode) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 09:12:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87lfdyaevd.fsf@red-bean.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000119adf05b6a99868" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3456"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, Christopher Dimech , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 17 15:14:17 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpu2q-0000ke-Rk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 15:14:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38900 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpu2p-00006r-U6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 09:14:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53102) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpu20-00089I-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 09:13:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb31.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31]:38355) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpu1y-0008Pf-NO; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 09:13:24 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb31.google.com with SMTP id a16so25979853ybh.5; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 06:13:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=CaEaJ1nnQuchQnAYHvZY4gs6Fc3Q/qFMQLbZAG09AnM=; b=bBJdToCMdhlCS6/BC+V0nGkGiK2xlKliNwKio8rYInYXJLYVGOqKptQJqYb85HdQQ4 Bja3dcGvCoqcur5yeOA239OpSzgZ9M0waByqQzWP1DKso9/LvTfIselZFcti/pwTcS2L FVM6svo0Fwpw8FfgPwVJnX8qnclK4eMQWspYtUjhaB9qvIZIaUqjZ3RCbf4mAflBBGIy R6YawExr8juayT8tuw8Hk1Z/C69NcGeHec7+pqNtysupGwwhuCCZoy0itYsHCOvIyiuO Fovvi7scYbrWzw1MpE9d45J/EtWvclzFmPBisl38y7aDCe8ZNeo3RjnIz03H/NtFSIrR dzbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CaEaJ1nnQuchQnAYHvZY4gs6Fc3Q/qFMQLbZAG09AnM=; b=EaWa8LA+zUj6C9QM97419gPyag/9f6Ujeb7eqQxrnWdA4hh9G/32b9uvw56D/sKCGL 1P8D9T9cc/v6XT157BCNC9wDE2TEaYEKTm0+GxQZee59wM/ACX2WWTJ1ujpI+Ru2th2H 0kvlWhyHEvkAiPW9YRoYnPlEjN2YKfwL8B7KbmFbpGe33SqmRnQ2mk1BrBikD1NUlMPC OzxemFfJayRj9wWFpsoHUTqdtU8IBShT7bhh7yXWisXgVz40h2GU2qZTxcnbq57h3mLs V/t5PunZbjA4pRApksIcvFS0trds12q2QTpwvRuAZ6KC8JTCUjfMG5OOdSGJCAbgQOUG d4vg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533e24LZO6PRjmbnBJ2swbQIeU9hsyYoUUMC4guGrf4gr9N5LhA8 /tQEepz5Z0E65494V1soKluTQgINHWuY5oO0qhzfJ3XPr/k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwxLL3R58lsldQBMDLZSfmLzQBmEyrsYbpnnSgoCH/cNXJmD3W2o/7OGVhkhHvPBXBfequz0RMBKu4z2KykEUI= X-Received: by 2002:a25:1541:: with SMTP id 62mr32169177ybv.484.1608214400570; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 06:13:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31; envelope-from=jamtlu@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb31.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261104 Archived-At: --000000000000119adf05b6a99868 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > I have a feeling that a flat rate of 5 or 15 dollars a month would > be a difficult way to run such a business. Well, perhaps. A lot (almost all) of SaaS is supported with $5-$15/mo. Let's imagine a hypothetical Emacs engineer takes for $60/hour. Most of the work would involve: * Link to the correct tutorial * Write a short sentence telling them what command they need to write The rest is knowing good tutorials. And sometimes they would have to write a tutorial that should exist. For $10, that's 10 minutes of the engineers' time. Smoothed over all the other customers time, on average, this could certainly be viable: Each query can only take 30 seconds to answer. I've heard a lot of people talk about just how much time they invested into their Emacs configurations... imagine if we delegated the effort to the most knowledgeable about Emacs, saving time and creating revenue. On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:50 AM Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > I am short of funds at the moment, so I could only pay $5/month. But > I'm > > sure > > other non-students could afford $10/mo or $15/mo for access to support > > on a powerful editor. > > Does anyone want to offer support for Emacs? > > I have a feeling that a flat rate of 5 or 15 dollars a month would > be a difficult way to run such a business. > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > --000000000000119adf05b6a99868 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> I have a feeling tha= t a flat rate of 5 or 15 dollars a month would
> be a difficult way = to run such a business.
<= span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><= br>
Well, perhaps. A lot (almo= st all) of SaaS is supported with $5-$15/mo.

Let's = imagine a hypothetical Emacs engineer takes for $60/hour.

Most of the work would involve:
<= span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><= br>
* Link to the correct tuto= rial
* Write a short sentence = telling them what command they need to write

The rest i= s knowing good tutorials.

=
And sometimes they would have= to write a tutorial that should exist.

For $10, that&#= 39;s 10 minutes of the engineers' time.
Smoothed over all the other customers time, on average, this = could
certainly be viable: Eac= h query can only take 30 seconds to answer.

I've heard a lot of p= eople talk about just how much time they invested
into their Emacs configurations... imagine if we delegated the= effort
to the most knowledgeable abo= ut Emacs, saving time and creating
r= evenue.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:50 AM Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
[[[ To any NSA and FBI= agents reading my email: please consider=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]<= br>
=C2=A0 > I am short of funds at the moment, so I could only pay $5/month= . But I'm
=C2=A0 > sure
=C2=A0 > other non-students could afford $10/mo or $15/mo for access to = support
=C2=A0 > on a powerful editor.

Does anyone want to offer support for Emacs?

I have a feeling that a flat rate of 5 or 15 dollars a month would
be a difficult way to run such a business.

--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)


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