From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Let's make Emacs mainstream (through org-mode) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:31:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f73d2205b6991820" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5370"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 16 19:37:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpbgU-0001Gp-Ft for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 19:37:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43884 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpbgT-0006ez-Hm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:37:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36302) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpbbG-0008VC-7B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:32:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b]:45427) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpbbC-0001hP-2O; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:32:33 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com with SMTP id k78so23343643ybf.12; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:32:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=VSn7tBNacDAPHqyqmSdADLgjx0RBcDdJRmfqi6JqNXs=; b=E2HEnL857pX+728au+Rp2vXLU0LY/BKiqB2twS2SfknR1pw4pRLhOxsrHCa2dKlw2v JjSeXgntCXHot4kh3BDme6iKTQFQS68eupph/B8rFMG981D1HaWnaQYjcWO0J4jL+DZh 0eHHS+mwPBLNuNAuBKuVkQmg1AT433wcDm8qL/9O0Q7GEZw+N5JUCg8dma16EmPdaPtd zKRDyObcSQ6QDZtUqVOy3oonXDG2nFd2WdtWuFXTSmJNE6i2Iht7Vga43NAkF0v8WKux Ke1YgfIAyYc9ne+yu5j2dZLoC0oG49xbwSbP5IQSv5od0LucTWfd+PNDlviedNyo4ves vqVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VSn7tBNacDAPHqyqmSdADLgjx0RBcDdJRmfqi6JqNXs=; b=lq/AArQB4glO54CkUd0O2kGAKlADHZxDS4EESVpwVN4hkLKCX+RZEct9FQoXSSwZY8 qVuFcpU+I7EN5CbIVuVa6ZtGbP6O2GldQVHMZAnxbgm5e/qb8jXcm+Gqt7ie7PSj8wkc SEuhZqc18WEsrdc3jYuCOsrmbOrIOyKZIiOxYGqfvDdb9HpDSEsKvuhfhL+Zp3vdtq7c hMmpT3RVIPaLxIEHdf6VRA8iqLqZ3U39Idye/NqE5pV8Nga1ms6zPow7F2u9wP9twjvG 3QgR2AEoAsG1vBcFXMK8qeMZN+twfSse8Ra3mTi//BoVfcBqpmFMAChbtjvDv0roTkOs JM/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53259SjUWqdFy6pVdyXfjOQ3osIKU9A9zw0wpzvY1PmRlE0nze/v F/kP7nU6CPJV24qs55k8TCnKPtekpYjoZpaz6vpwhXjA/Oy1Ag== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx0XlWpR/5j9tNwLn12AU0rcYd9XmfGHNluiap8yG/M4ltgIdIfTedsUNk2HCsYYV19cM377wZKpL4Zl0kayqY= X-Received: by 2002:a25:1541:: with SMTP id 62mr26413529ybv.484.1608143548659; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:32:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b; envelope-from=jamtlu@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261026 Archived-At: --000000000000f73d2205b6991820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Please provide hyperlink to that TODO app. https://culturedcode.com/things/ https://www.omnigroup.com/omnifocus/ https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.c306.ttsuper&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.tasks&hl=en_US&gl=US > While I do love Org mode like you I cannot see it comparable to many > other free software that are dedicated for note taking or project > planning and offer so much better interface, clean of disturbances. At that point, I would use logseq. On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 9:15 AM Jean Louis wrote: > * James Lu [2020-12-16 00:52]: > > I spent months of my life researching todo app. > > Please provide hyperlink to that TODO app. > > > Every single todo list app would approximate some person's ideal > > todo list app, but every person complained it was missing *one* > > feature they needed. Emacs org-mode solves this problem. > > While I do love Org mode like you I cannot see it comparable to many > other free software that are dedicated for note taking or project > planning and offer so much better interface, clean of disturbances. > > Joplin > https://joplinapp.org/ > > Turtleapp note taking application > https://turtlapp.com/download/ > > Cherrytree - hierarchical note taking application with rich text and > syntax highlighting > https://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree/ > > TiddlyWiki note taking in a browser > https://tiddlywiki.com/ > > > Either an app had too few buttons or too many buttons. > > Emacs org-mode solves this problem. > > Well maybe it solves, maybe not, I rather think it does not solve as > good as many other applications. > > Many applications work on mobile phones, Emacs does work on mobile > phone but not as good and not as accessible application. Many other > applications solve planning and TODO, tasks actions, project so much > better on mobile phones and some work on desktop and mobile phones > together. People use mobile devices for planning today maybe 50% even. > > > Let's stop messing with code. > > > > Let's start hacking. > > I like the enthusiasm. I also like that it will take next 30 years > of fun. > > > Clever hacking is doing the impossible. > > Let's start writing GFDL guides and selling them. > > I guess Emacs manual may be purchased from FSF. > > > Let's start selling support plans. > > Why not. > > > Let's start making Emacs org-mode a hot trend. > > Well, it is popular more among advanced users. > > > Let's make the website RMS suggested where you can ask questions on > > org-mode, and see public answers. > > > > Who's with me? > > To install such software is easy. It needs consent and approval by GNU > project. > > It should be there. Because there is none, people go to Reddit, > Stackexchange, etc. > > Here are good options to consider and all free software: > > Question2answer: > https://www.question2answer.org/ > https://www.question2answer.org/qa/ > > Scoold: > https://scoold.com/ and how it looks like: https://live.scoold.com/ > > Talkyard: > https://insightful.demo.talkyard.io/latest > > And that other first option too. > > Once back in time I made it myself. > > It should be made under GNU control and without any account and > tracking. Just ask the question. Whoever is supervising the website > can remove those spam entries. > > Jean > --000000000000f73d2205b6991820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>=C2=A0Please provide = hyperlink to that TODO app.
<= span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><= a href=3D"https://culturedcode.com/things/" target=3D"_blank">https://cultu= redcode.com/things/=C2=A0
= https://www.omnigroup.com/= omnifocus/
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=3Dnet.c306.ttsuper= &hl=3Den_US&gl=3DUS
<= a href=3D"https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=3Dcom.google.androi= d.apps.tasks&hl=3Den_US&gl=3DUS">https://play.google.com/store/apps= /details?id=3Dcom.google.android.apps.tasks&hl=3Den_US&gl=3DUS<= /div>

> While I do love Org mode like you I cannot see it comparable to = many
> other free software that are dedicated for note taking or pro= ject
> planning and offer so much better interface, clean of disturb= ances.
At = that point, I would use logseq.

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 9:15 AM Jean L= ouis <bugs@gnu.support> wrote:
* James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com> [2020-12-16 00:52]:
> I spent months of my life researching todo app.

Please provide hyperlink to that TODO app.

> Every single todo list app would approximate some person's ideal > todo list app, but every person complained it was missing *one*
> feature they needed.=C2=A0 Emacs org-mode solves this problem.

While I do love Org mode like you I cannot see it comparable to many
other free software that are dedicated for note taking or project
planning and offer so much better interface, clean of disturbances.

Joplin
htt= ps://joplinapp.org/

Turtleapp note taking application
https://turtlapp.com/download/

Cherrytree - hierarchical note taking application with rich text and syntax= highlighting
https://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree/

TiddlyWiki note taking in a browser
ht= tps://tiddlywiki.com/

> Either an app had too few buttons or too many buttons.
> Emacs org-mode solves this problem.

Well maybe it solves, maybe not, I rather think it does not solve as
good as many other applications.

Many applications work on mobile phones, Emacs does work on mobile
phone but not as good and not as accessible application. Many other
applications solve planning and TODO, tasks actions, project so much
better on mobile phones and some work on desktop and mobile phones
together. People use mobile devices for planning today maybe 50% even.

> Let's stop messing with code.
>
> Let's start hacking.

I like the enthusiasm.=C2=A0 I also like that it will take next 30 years of fun.

> Clever hacking is doing the impossible.
> Let's start writing GFDL guides and selling them.

I guess Emacs manual may be purchased from FSF.

> Let's start selling support plans.

Why not.

> Let's start making Emacs org-mode a hot trend.

Well, it is popular more among advanced users.

> Let's make the website RMS suggested where you can ask questions o= n
> org-mode, and see public answers.
>
> Who's with me?

To install such software is easy. It needs consent and approval by GNU
project.

It should be there. Because there is none, people go to Reddit,
Stackexchange, etc.

Here are good options to consider and all free software:

Question2answer:
https://www.question2answer.org/
https://www.question2answer.org/qa/

Scoold:
https:= //scoold.com/ and how it looks like: https://live.scoold.com/

Talkyard:
https://insightful.demo.talkyard.io/latest

And that other first option too.

Once back in time I made it myself.

It should be made under GNU control and without any account and
tracking. Just ask the question. Whoever is supervising the website
can remove those spam entries.

Jean
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