From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jai Dayal Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: A guide on setting up C/C++ development environment for Emacs Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:33:55 -0400 Message-ID: References: <513ad0e2-f7f4-484c-b17b-7c94a8c2fc7a@googlegroups.com> <8738chaieo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87tx4x9353.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ppfl91ft.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lhq98zoy.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ha0x8xbh.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1409196878 21581 80.91.229.3 (28 Aug 2014 03:34:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 03:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: Rusi Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 28 05:34:31 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XMqTn-0002s9-8C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 05:34:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34309 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMqTm-0007xt-T0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:34:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44380) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMqTc-0007xo-9K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:34:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMqTY-0006Y6-38 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:34:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vc0-x230.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c03::230]:53574) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMqTX-0006Y0-UQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:34:16 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ik5so201026vcb.35 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 20:34:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=HfscX41NgZb+SEUFDmBlFCXoBJtDMe7EODI9OVFQQNY=; b=FVPBv9dKI0DY1vfuPJPu1E0DJ+2qWq8KO9O4wsxDga1aJ1Z16ZzvchnOqhLiERtUWN X4BynXPBPFFX0RkYSMlshJLS1Asc6L++v/Q0DkPeqL7MaYKb5W+Q9TXKh9kjmBi7Dk0d ll+q4nl1LcHV6dVDs8Yqz9fJH2+WhkY9F899lUdWvbEFDagbqcmhzpVdCChbNmX/orR+ ysjQJFS5ItXBr2zO9uCx9LJjWLYju8MiptC7t4ua+rLI6lOw8S0gO5BELnvC3iLAV9C6 0oSCcHbGI6ZNyk7y/ey+1TNKziMUW/TrlRd+xsOo1AzpwZLrEBjYp1wPeel6eiyT5JTD vLRw== X-Received: by 10.52.165.116 with SMTP id yx20mr789115vdb.13.1409196855192; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 20:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.221.24.82 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 20:33:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::230 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:99449 Archived-At: Actually, I would buy that argument if you asked for people's opinion on Pulse and you got dishonest answers. Instead, you were asking for solutions to a specific problem, and they were helping. It's called "relevance"; it's something the Emacs community has a hard-time understanding. That's why so many threads trail off and turn into irrelevant discussions. If you wanted to find out if Pulse Audio is an adequate tool, then you should have sought opinions, not ask for help fixing bugs. On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Rusi wrote: > On Thursday, August 28, 2014 4:47:42 AM UTC+5:30, Jai Dayal wrote: > > Actually, nope. When I decide to install an OS, say CentOS, I do not > expect > > to find a discussion on the pluses and minuses of CentOS on the > > installation page. That's a completely different topic that has nothing > to > > do with CentOS installation. > > In the FLOSS world what Jai is describing is the norm: > > For any system X > > - the X-folks talk of how to use and only its pros > - the anti-X folks have all the time to bash unconstructively > - a very short supply of balanced reasonable comparison and useful > workarounds > > Jai seems to think this is a good separation. > > Personally I often find FLOSS folks at least as dishonest as the corporate > types > [No surprise, given that human beings are the same...] > > And diplomatic silence is often the most painful (for me) kind of > dishonesty. > > Example: > > I joined the Linux audio list when I was having a hell of a time with some > beast called pulseaudio. [I'm just an amateur musician... wanted to type > some music... NO clue or interest in pulseaudio... Evidently it was > obstructing > something] > > I got some vague 'pro-pulseaudio' response on how to solve my problem. > Nothing else. And my problem remained unsolved. > > After hanging around the list for months I slowly discovered that > - most everyone hates pulse > - people are doing apt-get purge pulse as routine > - when that fails they are changing distros > > The fact that it took me months to find that out is what I call > 'dishonest diplomacy' >