From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jai Dayal Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Swamp Gas Emacs, GNU, Linux, and more Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 01:57:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: <8761ozxqys.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391237849 8225 80.91.229.3 (1 Feb 2014 06:57:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 06:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 01 07:57:38 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W9UWF-0003EL-Nd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 07:57:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60429 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9UWF-0005wM-B0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 01:57:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54850) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9UW2-0005w4-Vf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 01:57:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9UW1-0006Bu-LJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 01:57:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ve0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c01::235]:51710) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9UW1-0006Bk-FA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 01:57:21 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id cz12so3653720veb.26 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 22:57:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=H19JSGl50usIFGpRouRRPbKk4CTapeLuXyOSh5UxtXw=; b=Eftd5ibyWxBB4/ETMzp1SchNIidJoWOeQtRfXCXUmhZvYpA9Ps8GLlhQkpDWgCVtff hkfCREia6ErvQXRh01R790T43KVmUBGTGKrY5QMQ0xsp3JO0P7VP2D74mwh9xwzkOOkT vjRVpb8zhJnQVhtp+4ou4fR2Mx6WZDOOY8Ll6grtnbvRTBiE5fK0bnyY2lNQgGnXEyKy tar/+9NDCTLddX4PoU0z2AhtBOU9cO5LXaLKwYsCcSSryee/gJGtYvl0DebzKy/7tC2N DNIgSFBuDO9cidaVxMhqLzfkNJOe/C2Aydu3LbAtNwlLo2dREiP4P8b13AFPbXSGSjhc 1hxw== X-Received: by 10.52.30.230 with SMTP id v6mr16504152vdh.6.1391237840730; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 22:57:20 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.221.42.10 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 22:57:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8761ozxqys.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::235 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95874 Archived-At: wat On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote: > The GNU project must have been fucking amazing. Just > imagine to have a wonderful system, including all the > tools, so everything is interconnected with the same > interface but still isolated. And everything in C. This > is why it always frustrates me to hear RMS or some > other GNU fanatic express negativism what the f--- to > call Linux (and more). If you can't appreciate *that*, > you are out of perspective for good! > > Today, consider the game industry. How many people are > involved in that? Well, OK, it's the nature of consumer > products that people want new things. And also it > follows the hardware in intricate yet somewhat > predictable ways so there are new things to do and more > money to make. > > But what about the Ubuntu project - ?! And the Debian > project (if you think your Gnus lacks activity, just > hook up to linux.debian.user). And those are > *distributions*! > > The Linux kernel itself - the LKML traffic is > *immense*. And here we talk about a noninteractive, > compiled *kernel*, so you shouldn't even notice it! But > a kernel is obviously related to hardware just as > games, which might amount for some. > > But isn't it much more natural to take an interest in > the things that are closer to you, that you use (in a > feedback sense)? I know some people who read books on > beards - and they all have beards! > > My hunch is, this is a dead end. Like 3/4 or half of > all software people should stop doing what they're > doing, because it is all in terms of technology anyway, > and instead write software to improve the > mental-physical and emotional-social health of the > entire population. We need a second revolution of > computer altruism now that free software/open > source/portable OSs/piracy/information access/whatever > is not an issue anymore. > > It is time to kill the darlings, and get new ones. > > I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say > about this. This isn't new thoughts. Use private mail > if that feels better. > > -- > underground experts united: > http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 >