From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jai Dayal Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 16:52:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8761yu64e4.fsf@Servus.decebal.nl> <87r4higq45.fsf@gmail.com> <87ip2tyftv.fsf@yahoo.fr> <20130508155351.GA5399@hysteria.proulx.com> <87obclrrb9.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <25153223-A058-4762-A1FC-7744472B958A@Web.DE> <87ppwxi89x.fsf@gmail.com> <87k3n5i4ap.fsf@gmail.com> <878v3kj83t.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1368391984 17730 80.91.229.3 (12 May 2013 20:53:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 12 22:53:05 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UbdGT-00028W-1e for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 22:53:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59653 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UbdGS-0007l4-L6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 16:53:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37213) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UbdGF-0007kz-Bs for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 16:52:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UbdGD-0007jU-T7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 16:52:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d]:34869) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UbdGD-0007jH-Mw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 16:52:49 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id k5so11148953iea.4 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:52:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=F3hrXj2SMEwptmjJi8ljGFDQyBO/LTaWp3B9134HuP0=; b=ezxgac1nLmLsxTUWrlhbfJxtHy28Dl9QRw1v/XfoTXHUtNRm1lVN7K2mRJBE2sEMfD LgcAC1cSJGPvKsEofXrzR0vv4fOtT8njYwkmYQj80ew9nZfIpJPtf+WSIM7sTywy/tHo aF55kCsSzThzh6OcU6JvbrhDOolH3iQQcOOkGPXyGJ+SGA5b1KVvBmYkzkTHHBppgnQ7 ulyUKAaJph8gi5KbE5VbNm+UUYPzBoqp2Rdoc47fjYJHgtJQMiDzzzJuOTY1TWq3LF5Q JnXOJZR+VUncV6D/If21XoiHBGZJJhsrPN+yKsf/3bghhro+V4j3X5vkTEBl/JeEzmmD mYdQ== X-Received: by 10.50.46.133 with SMTP id v5mr7962109igm.94.1368391968824; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.50.73.102 with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:52:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <878v3kj83t.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:90675 Archived-At: The sheer ignorance with how Vim works and what you can do with it is astounding! It's as if all of you are stuck in the 90's with Vim technology. Amazing that such a (undeserving-ly) pedantic group could be so wrong about such trivial issues! Who can even trust your emacs advice? Certainly, it's a small group of dilettantes here, each feeding off of each other. On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon < pjb@informatimago.com> wrote: > Hongxu Chen writes: > > > Peter Dyballa writes: > > > >> Am 12.05.2013 um 00:32 schrieb Jai Dayal: > >> > >>> so if > >>> you're not willing to do a little extra work and expect me to prove t= he > >>> most basic trivial things, I'm going to ask you to put something on t= he > >>> line, i.e., when I show you Vim's calculus plugins, you never post on > this > >>> mailing list again. deal? > >> > >> Vi has an interface to shell level: :!. This way you can use expr, > >> bc, or dc to calculate something for vi =96 or use a GNU Emacs script > >> for something less comprehensible=85 > > However this is inconvenient since Vim just forked a new shell > > process. Now and then I forget whether the shell's parent process is Vi= m. > > He reason why it's inconvenient, is because once you fork a child > process, it cannot modify the data structure in the parent process > anymore. So ok, you can perhaps calculate, or do calculus (seems > somebody doesn't know the difference), but you cannot have those process > modify the data in the vim buffers, or in vim memory. > > Sure, perhaps you can also have a command or a script in vim to load > some file modified by those child processes, but that's the point: > there's no calculus program implemented in vim, like there are > implemented in emacs. Or spreadsheets, or web browsers, or email > readers, or games, etc. > > > >> A bit different is :!emacs -nw =96 now you are in GNU Emacs, in > terminal, as > >> the subject announces, and can forget that you were in vi before and > now are not > >> that limited. You can even files on some remote host! No plugin > necessary. > > Still not in vim. > > -- > __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ > A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}. > You can take the lisper out of the lisp job, but you can't take the lisp > out > of the lisper (; -- antifuchs >