From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jai Dayal Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Frustrated with Font issues Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:23:59 -0600 Message-ID: References: <871tv35kbh.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401997183 29015 80.91.229.3 (5 Jun 2014 19:39:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 19:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" , help-gnu-emacs To: Jacob Gerlach Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 05 21:39:39 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WsdHA-00046a-5N for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 21:24:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43414 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WsdH9-0001M0-9s for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 15:24:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40097) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WsdGx-0001Lt-1J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 15:24:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WsdGu-0003ev-PI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 15:24:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ve0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c01::232]:62819) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WsdGu-0003ed-I5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 15:24:20 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id sa20so1794689veb.37 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 12:24:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=cmHrkCHoQWWwcs2sll5yVT62B75tajl4+/lf53rIjfQ=; b=mjgpqkEf29p1sDYrqbv8k9Pjkf/v6p6QWZJAIH8JCMZ9uaydnzIGrsXSZrs9Tr2FZ4 UM+Hcj3RJklDFEAcOTCjQSEX+H8fKeTPbdC/yG31ttTTG/xCWgSD6oUlqigjnQLRbZuP G+JW8b127pP+ljzlbS2IOJLvyxiatZtHVaMEj+DYbX5e8IivLX4zWf+OrQWd4TeiuE1z aN+ksouBiEKaDh5PvU4aTtLrJKn+AIQ49vAOvlEQFK/JlZUQ4b6DZ0tQjrKfJOuuuBu0 pEuz9n87XDV/RnBsKsQ45BKwxGeGPINTGDN0cAbPLsjKEiDjufQmQTjUVlVZU/SFLcpm fehw== X-Received: by 10.221.27.8 with SMTP id ro8mr13830903vcb.30.1401996259965; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 12:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.220.112.10 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 12:23:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::232 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98031 Archived-At: Also, I know the problem is on Emacs' end because the sizes available are completely idiotic. 11, 14, 17, 23.... I mean really.. every other application can do every integer between 6 and 34, but Emacs can only go in some dumb number of font-size increments? On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Jai Dayal wrote: > No, I'm simply saying that the fonts available in other applications are > not available with emacs. If I make it Monospace-10, emacs then actually > changes the font.. I can see the fonts change, but they don't look like > monospace-10 at all. instead, if I do C-u C-x = I get > x:-misc-fixed-bold-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-iso8859-1 (#x3B) > > Which is not monospace 10 at all. So either Emacs isn't understanding > Monospace-10 (when every other application is), or it's displaying > Monospace 10 completely differently from every application. > > I've also installed a whole bunch of font sets and updated my font-cache > and other applications can see these new fonts, but with emacs, the fonts > available through set-frame-font are the same as they were before. Emacs is > indeed using a different set of fonts than every other application known to > man. > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Jacob Gerlach > wrote: > >> I'm not sure what you mean by "have the same font set," particularly in >> response to Pascal's comments re: the difference between set-frame-font and >> M-x menu-set-font >> >> I have the following in my .emacs: >> (set-frame-font "Ubuntu Mono-13") >> >> I can put any font on my system in place of Ubuntu Mono, be it >> monospaced, variable pitch, or some nonsense like "Symbol". There is no >> "set" to choose from. >> >> Are you perhaps trying to say that a given font looks different in emacs >> compared to how it looks in other applications? >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Jai Dayal wrote: >> >>> With set-frame-font, it doesn't have the same font set as other >>> applications, though! That's the problem! They're not the same, at all. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon < >>> pjb@informatimago.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Jai Dayal writes: >>> > >>> > > Hi, >>> > > >>> > > I am using RHEL 6.5 and am running emacs 24.3 with a GUI. The fonts >>> look >>> > > absolutely horrible, and the fonts that I have available via >>> > set-frame-font >>> > > are atrocious as well. I have asked in several places about this >>> issue, >>> > and >>> > > I'm always blown off and told "blahh set something something in >>> > > .Xresources", but nothing ever specific. >>> > > >>> > > People have said that it's an issue with X11, but I'm not convinced; >>> > every >>> > > other GUI application has normal looking fonts. Even the GUI version >>> of >>> > Vim >>> > > has normal fonts; how can it be an X server or RHEL problem when >>> every >>> > > other application has a sufficient set of fonts to use? This is >>> clearly >>> > an >>> > > Emacs problem at this point. >>> > > >>> > > If I use emacs in the terminal without X the fonts look fine. My >>> terminal >>> > > says the font is "Monospace 10", and if I do C-u C-x = I get >>> > > display: terminal code #x3B >>> > > >>> > > When I do C-u C-x = with GUI emacs, I get: >>> > > -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-m-90-iso10646-1 >>> > > >>> > > Which is a font made available when I do M-x set-frame-font >>> > > >>> > > Is there not a way to allow Emacs to use the same set of fonts that >>> every >>> > > other X11 application uses? How can it be that Emacs fonts suck when >>> > other >>> > > applications have normal fonts? >>> > >>> > When you use set-frame-font, you can use the exact same fonts as other >>> > applications. This is what I do, to select the exact fonts I want to >>> > use. Currently (frame-font) --> >>> > "-unknown-DejaVu Sans >>> Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1" >>> > >>> > (frame-font is from >>> > https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/emacs/source/pjb-xresources.el >>> ) >>> > >>> > >>> > When you use M-x menu-set-font RET you get a font menu with >>> pre-selected >>> > font families. There's a way to configure this menu with your own font >>> > families, but it seems to have changed in emacs 24, so I'm not sure how >>> > to do it anymore. >>> > >>> > >>> > Have a look at: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > __Pascal Bourguignon__ >>> > http://www.informatimago.com/ >>> > "Le mercure monte ? C'est le moment d'acheter !" >>> > >>> >> >> >