From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jai Dayal Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: A guide on setting up C/C++ development environment for Emacs Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <513ad0e2-f7f4-484c-b17b-7c94a8c2fc7a@googlegroups.com> <8738chaieo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87tx4x9353.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ppfl91ft.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lhq98zoy.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1409170357 14575 80.91.229.3 (27 Aug 2014 20:12:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 20:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 27 22:12:31 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XMjZy-00011a-34 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:12:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33116 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMjZx-0008JG-Gw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:12:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37399) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMjZk-0008I5-IK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:12:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMjZi-0000kI-Hx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:12:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::229]:41188) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMjZi-0000kE-4l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:12:10 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id n15so1127018lbi.0 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:12:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=eNRHJi5i74UNI0C3IhP14LS0rJAab4JQCt/ZQossAAY=; b=OcjseCXw/2F5Ws2vFiNVzyQrGP7WB0BCk89P8gEgb1coWdUprmraMNWNC3H09uA69k +GH1c1LO+47PNMMMpyonntG3xZzatiOiPPtuRnfEk89PJuvAs3Glt83LrD1nd3Gh1opT idSE2p53Gi3BYkEIWz+u1GfXdV3ER3ocS1BJwI8oCLkfoBDz3yGZZ58rlORmH2NnwJBh kUZMOucthTFNTq6fkOFKcLd+tBfChBBT5ledy5UWjA7no+FO+1IAppil8gbi/Uoa8/0J FVqe9pD7rFKk3Vx+rBkyYa2Y5GQgRPaub346oRbmaooMcYSmXUUdy39v4omxNbsnDING vFWA== X-Received: by 10.152.9.42 with SMTP id w10mr37278113laa.9.1409170329070; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.161.194 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:11:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87lhq98zoy.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::229 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:99440 Archived-At: No, my interpretation is correct. If someone writes a manual on how to fix a Ford V8 engine, the discussion on the engine's fuel efficiency and safety is completely irrelevant. Following your logic, one could then turn the discussion into the utility of driving in general, since it may otherwise lead to more disappointed people. His manual is about how to setup CEDET and use it. It's not about how to evaluate CEDET in terms of productivity. >And no, it is not necessary to mention the bad ergonomics of Emacs' keybindings whenever someone asks about how to configure Gnus for reading e-mail. Why not? You just said that failing to mention the shortcomings can lead to more disappointed people around. Following this "logic" failure to mention Emacs' shortcomings during any discussion on Emacs features will lead to more disappointed people around. On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM, =C3=93scar Fuentes wrote: > Jai Dayal writes: > > >>I'll assume > > that the directions given on the guide will make me more productive > > while working on X. > > > > Sure, however, if X is inherently broken, that's a completely unrelated > > discussion. The author of the manual here isn't even involved in CEDET. > > > >>Giving a heads-up is appropiate here. > > > > Then giving a heads-up in regards to Emacs is completely valid, and all > > discussion, in this thread, on Emacs' short-comings are completely vali= d > as > > well? That's horrible logic. > > Your interpretation of my words is terrible ;-) If someone gives advice > about using X, when X has serious shortcommings for the intended > purpose, discussing those shortcommings is quite relevant. If X is > mostly appropiate save for some minor details, mentioning those is just > a nice service for the user. > > And no, it is not necessary to mention the bad ergonomics of Emacs' > keybindings whenever someone asks about how to configure Gnus for > reading e-mail. > > > >